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if you are counter fighting.
Counter fighting is a bad idea (unfortunately most of the self-defense training uses this approach). You let your opponent to put yourself in defense mode. When your opponent sweeps your leg, no matter you step back, lift your leg, ... you are already one step behind.
 

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Counter fighting is a bad idea (unfortunately most of the self-defense training uses this approach). You let your opponent to put yourself in defense mode. When your opponent sweeps your leg, no matter you step back, lift your leg, ... you are already one step behind.
Not necessarily. Countering can be a very effective fight tactic.
 

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Not necessarily. Countering can be a very effective fight tactic.
If your opponent knows how to use a technique to attack, he should also be familiar with the counters that you may use on him. He will then ready to counter your counter.

For example, a head lock will have at least 15 different counters. If you don't know how to counter those 15 counters, you should not apply head lock in the first place.

You may have 100 different ways to attack. But you may only have 20 different ways to counter. If your opponent can put you in counter mode,

- He can lead you into an area that he is more familiar with than you do.
- He has reduced the fighting complexity big time.
 
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If your opponent knows how to use a technique to attack, he should also be familiar with the counters that you may use on him. He will then ready to counter your counter.

For example, a head lock will have at least 15 different counters. If you don't know how to counter those 15 counters, you should not apply head lock in the first place.

You may have 100 different ways to attack. But you may only have 20 different ways to counter. If your opponent can put you in counter mode,

- He can lead you into an area that he is more familiar with than you do.
- He has reduced the fighting complexity big time.
LOL.
And if he knows counters to a counter attack do you seriously think he does not know counters to a primary attack??!!
 

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Counter fighting is a bad idea (unfortunately most of the self-defense training uses this approach). You let your opponent to put yourself in defense mode. When your opponent sweeps your leg, no matter you step back, lift your leg, ... you are already one step behind.
Counter fighting done right puts you one move ahead. And that is about controlling distance and timing.

So he has to move in to position and then attack and all you have to do is counter.

Where self defense generally gets it wrong is they start their counter from a dumb place (directly in front inside arms reach)
 

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Counter fighting done right puts you one move ahead. And that is about controlling distance and timing.
I don't understand the logic there. If you (general YOU) don't train counter for

- Karate "flying side kick", or
- MT "flying knee",

when your opponent does that to you, he will put you in an area that he is more familiar with than you do. It's better to take your Karate or MT opponent down so he doesn't even have chance to apply those attack on you.

You may have a Walther PPK in your pocket, but if I stab my knife into your heart before you have chance to pull your gun out, your gun will have no threaten to me.
 

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LOL.
And if he knows counters to a counter attack do you seriously think he does not know counters to a primary attack??!!
Waiting for your opponent's attack first is like to give your opponent plenty of time to pull out his gun and shoot you. Why do you even want to give him that opportunity for?

During the Iraq war, US did not wait for Iraq's attack. US attacked first. Why?
 

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Waiting for your opponent's attack first is like to give your opponent plenty of time to pull out his gun and shoot you. Why do you even want to give him that opportunity for?

During the Iraq war, US did not wait for Iraq's attack. US attacked first. Why?
As I originally posted on this subject about countering being a bad idea; "Not necessarily. Countering can be a very effective fight tactic" and it can be. That doesn't mean is it will be for all situations. Just as being the first to attack isn't the best idea all the time.
 

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Counter fighting is a bad idea (unfortunately most of the self-defense training uses this approach). You let your opponent to put yourself in defense mode. When your opponent sweeps your leg, no matter you step back, lift your leg, ... you are already one step behind.
That's not really what counter-fighting is, by my understanding.
 

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If your opponent knows how to use a technique to attack, he should also be familiar with the counters that you may use on him. He will then ready to counter your counter.

For example, a head lock will have at least 15 different counters. If you don't know how to counter those 15 counters, you should not apply head lock in the first place.

You may have 100 different ways to attack. But you may only have 20 different ways to counter. If your opponent can put you in counter mode,

- He can lead you into an area that he is more familiar with than you do.
- He has reduced the fighting complexity big time.
By that logic, any initial attack should always be a win in the chain of counters and counter-counters. That's not how it usually works.
 

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