Um. . .Do you happen to know what the term uchi-deshi means? I don't think even any of Hatsumi sensei's Japanese students ever fit into that category.
The basic definition is:
Uchi-deshi (内弟子:うちでし, Uchi-deshi?) is a Japanese term for a live-in student who trains under and assists a sensei, on a full-time basis. (From uchi for "inside" and deshi for "student"). The term is most commonly used in the budō arts.
But what about Stephen Hayes? Is he considered a reliable author? He was supposed to have been hatsumi's first American student right? Or is that just BS too? His books had a lot of that "mystical ninja" stuff too.
Hmmmm. Dale Seago, Sean Askew, Peter King, Jeff Mueller, Wade Goodner, Bud Malmstrom, Jack Hoban, and many, many others have far surpassed Hayes' mat time in Japan.Anshu Hayes is the best source you can find about ninjutsu in English.
So the Bujinkan members living in Japan who confirmed this are incorrect?The politics of ninjutsu are very complex. There are even people that try to say that Anshu is not a student of Hatsumi sensei anymore. That is a complete lie.
Two words, P R...Anyone who asks Anshu will find out the truth.
Doron Navon (you know who he is, right?) would be surprised to hear this. As would the people in the list above, and all the others who have much more time in Japan actually training with Hatsumi sensei.He is, and always will remain the senior student of Hatsumi sensei outside of Japan.
Why? I've never been his student. I think the man is very skilled, yes, but others have surpassed him in terms of knowledge and skill.In the Japanese way of doing things, that means we all owe him our respect and loyalty.
I don't understand why the jealousy card has to be thrown every time this debate rises from the dead. Hayes had a great thing going, and he *was* the top dog in America (note: not outside of Japan), but now he's doing his own thing. That's not bad, it is what it is.Do not listen to those that try to tear him down due to their jealousy. Instead ask him if you wish to find out the truth.
Have you trained with or even spoken to any of the people I named? If not, how can you speak to their experiences? I've trained with all of them, and Hayes.All of those people never had the experiences that Anshu did. They came later after the art was more open and some things had to be kept out of what was taught.
That ship has already sailed, and it wasn't due to the actions of others...No matter what stories they spread, they will never drive a wedge between Hatsumi sensei and Anshu.
No, PR, as in public relations, as in what sounds good for his franchise business.No, the truth.
You're kidding, right? Doron Navon in particular was training with Hatsumi sensei *before* Hayes.As I said, they just never learned all that much because of the situation.
I knew he lived in Japan, yes. "Many, many years" is debatable.And Anshu lived in Japan and trained for many, many years in the 1980s. He even had a home. Did you know that before you said what you did?
I've been to the source. It's in Noda-shi (well, technically Atago). What sources do you have?There are many things you could learn if you only went to the source and not the jealous folks that try to tear Anshu down.
Cool. So would you like to explain a little about Roppo Kuji no Biken from your Toshindo training?He has expanded on the knowledge. But everything that you can learn in Bujinkan can also be found in Toshindo.
And again with the jealousy card. :idunno:People just don't like the idea of Anshu being so much better than them in both the traditional and the practical sides of the art.
Have you trained with or even spoken to any of the people I named? If not, how can you speak to their experiences? I've trained with all of them, and Hayes.
That ship has already sailed, and it wasn't due to the actions of others...
And I didn't even get him a card...Ah yes, Anshu talks about people like you.
Please don't twist my words. I was saying that I have trained with the people I named, as well as Hayes, and I find the people I named to be more skilled.In the first paragraph, you demand that I speak to everyone you talked about or else I do not know the truth. But in the second, you say things about something you have never talked to either Hatsumi sensei or Anshu about.
I see you trying to mesh two discrete points I was attempting to make into some bizarre sort of straw man argument. :idunno:Do you see the double standards?
Ok, so to summarize:The stories of him being kicked out of the Bujinkan are a lie and BY YOUR OWN LOGIC you are in no position to say otherwise.
There are even people that try to say that Anshu is not a student of Hatsumi sensei anymore.
That is a complete lie. Anyone who asks Anshu will find out the truth.
In the Japanese way of doing things, that means we all owe him our respect and loyalty.
Do not listen to those that try to tear him down due to their jealousy. Instead ask him if you wish to find out the truth
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