My faded memory - is there a significance to the knot in the belted systems?

Who has the biggest passion for belts? TKD, BJJ, JUDO, KEMPO? I'm curious know if it's something that's bigger at the beginning and or if the passion for the belt matures. If the passion is to always get the next belt them what happens when you have the highest belt? When does the passion for the belt turn into something strong than just the next belt?
 
Who has the biggest passion for belts? TKD, BJJ, JUDO, KEMPO? I'm curious know if it's something that's bigger at the beginning and or if the passion for the belt matures. If the passion is to always get the next belt them what happens when you have the highest belt? When does the passion for the belt turn into something strong than just the next belt?
There's a black belt at my gym who was talking about how much belts don't matter. You should've seen how big he was smiling when he got his first degree on his black belt.

I think it is more of a spectrum within each art. In TKD, I think a lot of people see black belt as a stopping point. You've achieved "the goal". But degrees are important if you want a career as an instructor.

In BJJ, the belts are held in very high regard by some and absolutely dismissed by others. A blue belt could be:
  • Someone who's almost a purple belt.
  • Someone with very good wrestling who barely knows jiu-jitsu.
  • Someone who's done a couple years and is pleasant to roll with.
  • A kid with 14 years of experience, but who has to be a blue belt because he's too young to be promoted to purple.
  • Someone who should probably be purple or even brown by now, but they're purposefully held back for the sake of staying in the blue belt competition bracket. Especially if they can do 5-10% of the art at a black belt level and the other 90-95% at white or less.
For those who just want to train and have the knowledge come, they don't really care about the belts. They enjoy getting promotions but aren't necessarily eager for it. Those who are competitive may either A) want the belts so they can prove how awesome they are against awesomer opponents, or B) want to sandbag and avoid getting promoted (to the point some people don't sign in to class so they don't get credit towards their next stripe). Those who want to teach are going to seek rank to certify them as teachers, but are also most likely not going to want to rush rank because they want to back up that rank in their class.

I'm in the middle of all of that right now. I'm mostly here for the love of martial arts. I mainly want to learn and have the belts come as they come. I would like to slow down so I can stay in a lower bracket in competition, but I'd also like to go up because it makes the gym look better on paper if I'm a higher belt. But then it comes back to - can I back that up, and make it so it's not just better on paper? And we've come full circle back to I just want to learn so I can be a better martial artist, competitor, and teacher.
 
My current belt is half my first black belt and half my GM’s 9th Dan belt.
.... I felt having one have beginning and one half (near the) end is very meaningful.
Makes me tear up thinking about it.
So, you cut your belt and his in half and sewed one half of each together for new belt?
 
The belt in and of itself is a piece of cloth. But it has symbolic meaning as it represents the hard work one has put in to receive it. It is a common enough practice that a teacher would give his belt and even his Gi to a student. This gesture has been seen as a very special honor and in a few cases has been used as supporting proof of one's legitimacy as the next successor in the lineage.
The belt can have a very personal value when you receive it from someone who you really respect. Long after that person passes on you look back and cherish the memory of the person and that "THIS"is the belt xxxx gave me. It's purely sentimental.
This is a true story...
Very high rank teacher had a student start training who was a young boy with leukemia. After a short time of training the boy passed. At the services the mom thanked the teacher for everything and expressed how much the boy liked karate and how he always wanted to get a black belt. The teacher went out to his car and got his belt and placed it with the boy.
So yes the belt has meaning, intense personal meaning which has little to do with how skilled you are.
But it's just a piece of cloth.
 
The belt in and of itself is a piece of cloth. But it has symbolic meaning as it represents the hard work one has put in to receive it. It is a common enough practice that a teacher would give his belt and even his Gi to a student. This gesture has been seen as a very special honor and in a few cases has been used as supporting proof of one's legitimacy as the next successor in the lineage.
The belt can have a very personal value when you receive it from someone who you really respect. Long after that person passes on you look back and cherish the memory of the person and that "THIS"is the belt xxxx gave me. It's purely sentimental.
This is a true story...
Very high rank teacher had a student start training who was a young boy with leukemia. After a short time of training the boy passed. At the services the mom thanked the teacher for everything and expressed how much the boy liked karate and how he always wanted to get a black belt. The teacher went out to his car and got his belt and placed it with the boy.
So yes the belt has meaning, intense personal meaning which has little to do with how skilled you are.
But it's just a piece of cloth.
Thank you for that story. It's beautiful.
 
It is quite a sweet moment when you show the new guy how to tie his belt
Especially for me. I can only tie a belt Patrick Swayze Gost style.

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I use a similar knot on my hakama himo for when I perform Hyoho Niten Ichiryu Embu. Readiness for death (覚悟 /kakugo). "Tie it once, correctly, because you may not get another chance".
 
Are belts ever passed down? For example, when the time comes a Sifu may pass down a weapon or documents to a trusted student.
My Japanese Jiu Jitsu instructor's brown belt gets passed down to the most promising student of that batch of students, and returned to him when the student becomes a black belt. As this has been going on for over 50 years, the original belt definitely has that worn-in look.
 
My Japanese Jiu Jitsu instructor's brown belt gets passed down to the most promising student of that batch of students, and returned to him when the student becomes a black belt. As this has been going on for over 50 years, the original belt definitely has that worn-in look.
Reading some of the things about belts here are definitely something that would be meaningful to me. Not the belt itself but what it represents beyond the Rank. It's a very good way to Acknowledge others in a humble way.
 
I have always looked at belts as a representation of Rank and never as an Acknowledgement of one's dedication to themselves. The comments in this thread have definitely opened my eyes to a different perspective of belts.
 

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