MICHAEL BISPING

Buka said:
I read that article. Then read a few more in that periodical. A half dozen on UFO's, one on an exorcism, sex with robots and a couple wilder than that.

Not doubting you, Tez, but I'm not believing anything in the Mirror, except maybe the date.
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Exactly I mean I don't if you're English or not but the mirrors is not a very reliable newspaper at all lol and anyway yeah I'm sure there are people in English gyms who take steroids. Just like there are in American gyms, Brazilian gyms, Mexican gyms etc. as for texs post about steroids not being illegal in uk mma well fine but that doesn't mean every fighter takes them I know for a fact if I was competing and they were illegal I'd never touch that junk
 
Buka said:
I think something we should keep in mind is that we aren' the target audience of the UFC. If they had to depend on people who actually train in any sort of fighting art, they would have been out of business a looooong time ago. Their target audience is the young action crowd, the t-shirt wearing seat fillers, the stay at home audience that likes to see fighting, the people who follow whatever trend is popular right now, and, in recent years, people who follow sports (BIG audience)

All of us here know what smack talk is, know what publicity is, know what all the related nonsense is. And some of us, kinda like it from time to time. Even if we don't, if it's necessary to keep MMA, the UFC in particular, alive, so be it.

Sure is fun to watch, though. And tactically interesting as how various matches apply to our own skill set. Or at least what we imagine our skill set to be. :)

I think when we're all watching the matches, we seperate the soap opera from the actual fight.
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Exactly I don't care for trash talking but I actually find bispings trash talk funny because he doesn't try and come up with clever sounding rhymes or whatever or trying to be funny he just like yeah love off I'll knock you out. I loved his quote when he was doing one for this fight and he was talking about who rockhold had thought and was "costa phillphou? Costa phila who?" Anyway I love bisping because he's an exciting who's never been in a boring fight, he's not the greatest athlete but he trains very hard and he's got great heart. Everyone makes fun of him for the Henderson KO but he's only been stopped by strikes twice both guys on trt and he's been rocked plenty of times and always finds a way to win. Look at the Anderson silva fight everyone makes excuses like oh he was knocked out it should've been over ok fine opinions but he got dropped by a massive knee what did he do? Got up and kept fighting. 5th round front kick to the face which put down belfort he didn't even go down he survived the round.

Fact is he may not be the best ever he might not defend the belt but one thing that's 100% he's a fighter
 
Sorry in advance for not adding examples,but that's primarily because I am currently nursing a concussion, so can't concentrate enough to think of them.

To Kenpoguy: many fighters have two personas: the a-hole 'acting' persona and the respectful, humble 'real' persona. They claim that they need this for publicity, but while you do need to be popular, UFC is not the WWE...there are fighters who don't have the a-hole persona and still are popular, so you don't really need that persona (and vice versa). You also don't know which of the two persona's is fake and which one is real, regardless of the one the fighter says it's real.

To Tez: it's important to remember that when you are on opposing sides from someone, they may appear more of an a-hole than they really are. I'm not a competitive fighter, but when I was fencing, there were plenty of people I would see at meets 10 times a year, along with other training things, tournaments, etc. whom based on a lot of interactions with them, I would say they are arrogant dicks. SOme of them, I ended up being on a team with them later or attend the same club later on, and discover that my opinion, which I thought was fully valid wasn't, and it's just how they appear to people who go against them. Same thing happened in reverse, there was one person on my team who others would always tell me how much of an a-hole he appeared to be, but in reality he was one of the nicest guys on our team..he just had that aura and was a good fencer which misled them. Not saying this is what happened since I have no interactions with bisping at all, but its possible.
Also, his family is not him, so how they are shouldn't really affect your opinion of bisping himself.
Finally, regardless of your personal feelings of him, he still is the 'champion', and you can still enjoy the fights when he puts on a good fight, just root for the other fighter during them.
 
kempodisciple said:
Sorry in advance for not adding examples,but that's primarily because I am currently nursing a concussion, so can't concentrate enough to think of them.

To Kenpoguy: many fighters have two personas: the a-hole 'acting' persona and the respectful, humble 'real' persona. They claim that they need this for publicity, but while you do need to be popular, UFC is not the WWE...there are fighters who don't have the a-hole persona and still are popular, so you don't really need that persona (and vice versa). You also don't know which of the two persona's is fake and which one is real, regardless of the one the fighter says it's real.

To Tez: it's important to remember that when you are on opposing sides from someone, they may appear more of an a-hole than they really are. I'm not a competitive fighter, but when I was fencing, there were plenty of people I would see at meets 10 times a year, along with other training things, tournaments, etc. whom based on a lot of interactions with them, I would say they are arrogant dicks. SOme of them, I ended up being on a team with them later or attend the same club later on, and discover that my opinion, which I thought was fully valid wasn't, and it's just how they appear to people who go against them. Same thing happened in reverse, there was one person on my team who others would always tell me how much of an a-hole he appeared to be, but in reality he was one of the nicest guys on our team..he just had that aura and was a good fencer which misled them. Not saying this is what happened since I have no interactions with bisping at all, but its possible.
Also, his family is not him, so how they are shouldn't really affect your opinion of bisping himself.
Finally, regardless of your personal feelings of him, he still is the 'champion', and you can still enjoy the fights when he puts on a good fight, just root for the other fighter during them.
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Absolutely I'm not saying he's a lovely angel choir boy and yeah he probably isn't the loveliest guy in the world but he has said lately he knows he was stupid in his early days and he's always been respectful post fight win or lose I do believe that the trash may not always be for the fans it might simply be his way of firing himself up for the match but sadly the ufc is turning into the wwe more. With clowns like mcgreggor talking their way into title fights and trying to dictate what the company does. The only reason he's as popular as he is is his trash talk. Same with chael sonnen let's be honest chael sonnen was a boring fighter a lay and prey specialist but he could talk well that's what got him popular. Nick Diaz talked his way into 2 title fights and got 1 while coming off a loss to condit. So sadly yeah the trash talk does seem to be needed more and more these days and yeah the non trash talk fighters are popular among ufc fans but not among casuals. People like frankie Edgar or demetrious Johnson have done a lot more than mcgreggor has yet they're not as popular because they don't talk like idiots.
 
Tez3 said:
Unless we know the fighters and they are actually like that in real life.
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There is definitely something to this, but even then mix ups happen. I'm comfortable knowing that my impression of him might be wrong. But absent evidence to the contrary, he seems pretty arrogant.
 
Tez3 said:
Unless we know the fighters and they are actually like that in real life.
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Look you may have met him but meeting someone doesn't mean you know them. You bring up his family more than him which is kind of low using the family to discredit someone
 
For the record, I don't actually care for Bisping. But he won the title, good for him. It was a really good card last night and he did a good job.

Dan Henderson, there's a guy I'm a big fan of. But....so what? We're all fans of some.

I think Rockhold is going to kill him next time they fight.
 
Kenpoguy123 said:
Look you may have met him but meeting someone doesn't mean you know them. You bring up his family more than him which is kind of low using the family to discredit someone
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And? I know him, you don't... and? Look to the parents to see what sort of child they bring up. His father was his manager picking his fights, his brother his sparring partner, yes it's relevant.
He won a title, yes, good for him but don't big him up as a paragon of virtue.
 
Tez3 said:
And? I know him, you don't... and? Look to the parents to see what sort of child they bring up. His father was his manager picking his fights, his brother his sparring partner, yes it's relevant.
He won a title, yes, good for him but don't big him up as a paragon of virtue.
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I may be wrong, but I don't think anyone has suggested Michael Bisping is a paragon of virtue. We have no evidence he's taken steroids, and he did just won the belt. Those are facts. Whether he's a scumbag or not is opinion. You have yours and others have theirs. Because you've met the guy a few times, you think you have the inside scoop. Might be you do, but might be you don't.

I see little difference between Bisping, the Diaz brothers and Conor Mcgregor.
 
Buka said:
I read that article. Then read a few more in that periodical. A half dozen on UFO's, one on an exorcism, sex with robots and a couple wilder than that.

Not doubting you, Tez, but I'm not believing anything in the Mirror, except maybe the date.
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However even a broken clock is correct twice a day. I have been in enough MMA and other gyms, at enough fight nights and know enough fighters to know that steroid abuse is rife. As I said, steroid use is legal in UK MMA. I also know it from my previous job where we were investigating steroid abuse by the military.

Oh and I think Bisping would remember me, we've had stand up rows, the first about a female fighter he brought to fight on one of our promotions who was blatantly not what he purported her to be and another couple over other aspects of his behaviour at our shows and others I have worked at, not just me either. As I will reiterate, his father and brother were very much involved with his career so yes what they do does involve him, they aren't separate from him in his professional dealings with people.

Kenpoguy123 said:
Exactly I mean I don't if you're English or not but the mirrors is not a very reliable newspaper at all lol and anyway yeah I'm sure there are people in English gyms who take steroids. Just like there are in American gyms, Brazilian gyms, Mexican gyms etc. as for texs post about steroids not being illegal in uk mma well fine but that doesn't mean every fighter takes them I know for a fact if I was competing and they were illegal I'd never touch that junk
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You haven't actually read my posts have you? :cool:
 
Kenpoguy123 said:
And? He also said "sorry I shouldn't have said that" straight away and he only did that after rockhold started acting like a jerk refusing to shake his hand and get in his face
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Little fish, don't bite. It is just a report. It's not personal.
 
Tez3 said:
Little fish, don't bite. It is just a report. It's not personal.
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Never said it was but those reports are just click bait. There's nothing wrong with what he said since rockhold isn't gay. If he was gay and he started calling him that then it'd be bad
 
Kenpoguy123 said:
Never said it was but those reports are just click bait. There's nothing wrong with what he said since rockhold isn't gay. If he was gay and he started calling him that then it'd be bad
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Er what? using that word ( unless you are describing a British meatball) is always bad, it doesn't matter whether someone is gay or not.
 
Bispings awesome he fights hard every single fight, has awesome cardio and is a great guy. I met him once and he was friendly chatty and funny
 
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