Master's relationship to/arrangement with their student's school

Absolutely, it should have and could have happened before you left. That is on you.
He kept cancelling private lessons, ignored me in regular classes, and refused to teach me what was required for the curriculum. He cut my hours and started removing me from teaching.

It was absolutely not going to happen.

And that is not on me.
 
He kept cancelling private lessons, ignored me in regular classes, and refused to teach me what was required for the curriculum. He cut my hours and started removing me from teaching.

It was absolutely not going to happen.

And that is not on me.
Be VERY specific: Why do you think he was being that way toward you?
 
Because I told him I was moving away.
Much more to this bad relationship.
You are very invested with him and keep going back. Doesn’t that speak very loudly that you need to repair the relationship. I have never heard you call him anything but master, so it sounds like you have respect for the guy.
 
Congratulations on passing your 4th Dan. Hopefully you enjoyed the day and the reward that goes with it.

Regardless of whether you will continue to have a relationship with this instructor or not, your MA is yours. You can decide to go on any path you like. Some paths will be easier and some will be more difficult. In all cases, you will need to be the engine of your success.

Good luck
 
Much more to this bad relationship.
He was a good teacher to the students, but a bad mentor to the instructors. He micromanaged. He would get petty and jealous if a student asked for help. The only times I ever got in trouble, it was right after he saw a student ask me for help with something after class. He was jealous that the student didn't come to him with the question. Which is really silly, because he's telling them to listen to me and that as an instructor I should be the one to go to them.

I told him at one point that I wanted to cross-train in BJJ. He told me that if I wanted to start learning BJJ, I would have to quit his school. Not just stop teaching, but quit entirely. I was actually going to take him up on that, but the day I was going to turn in my 2-weeks notice with him was March 16, 2020. The day everything shut down for COVID. There were no BJJ schools open, so I figured I'd keep training in the meantime.

Back when I first started teaching, I had been with him for 3 years, and one of his former students was shocked that I had lasted so long already. He had a reputation for burning out instructors. And you know what? The instructor that replaced me in 2022 when I left, has already burnt out and quit. His next instructor is on her way out.

So your suggestion that I stick in a toxic relationship is very incorrect. I honestly should have been out of this relationship years ago. I was out of this relationship in 2022, but got pulled back in because he apologized for the way he treated us before we left. But I'm not going to get into the cycle of abuse - apology - abuse - apology.

When someone is abusing you (in this case, abuse of power), you don't stick in the relationship. You find the fastest possible way to leave. If a woman is being abused by her husband, you don't tell her to wait in the relationship until she's got enough kids from him, or something silly like that. You tell her to get out ASAP. Telling me to stay in a toxic environment just to get a piece of paper is one of the silliest things I've seen suggested on this thread.
 
I'll give you a specific story to talk about what I mean.

I had been teaching under him for 4 years at this point. I was a 3rd degree black belt. I was there for every class; 5 hours a day, 6 days a week (on top of my day job). My typical routine was that I help out with 4 classes and take the 5th. I wouldn't take any break during the 4 classes I was helping with, then I would take a quick break during the black belt class stretching and warmup to use the restroom and get some water. Usually I would get back at the end of stretches or the start of punches. My rationale was that I didn't want to waste his time and money (when he's paying me to be an instructor), but it was okay to waste a little bit of my time and money between classes. (Classes were back-to-back with no break, so the previous class ended at 7:50 and my class started at 7:50).

One night, a student comes up to me at the end of the previous class to ask a question. She wanted to practice on a heavy bag at home, and wanted to know if it was a good idea. My opinion, which was informed by the opinion of another instructor at my dojang and also an overwhelming majority opinion online, is that this is a great idea to reinforce proper technique. I told her its a good idea. Then took my break. When I got out of the restroom, the Master had already started into the technique portion of class. I went to get on the mat, and he very sternly told me to wait.

Then, he went over some of the 3rd degree testing material that I needed. He hadn't gone over it with me yet in class. None of the students on the mat needed it. They were all 1st or 2nd degree. He specifically had them learn something I needed while I stood on the sidelines. Then he had me come on the mat, and the rest of class we only worked on 1st degree material.

After that, he called me into his office. He questioned my loyalty to him, because I skipped part of my class. He questioned my ethics and integrity. I tried to explain what I said above (about respecting his time and using my time for the break). He explained that all the other instructors were on time. (The other instructors had been there for only 1-2 hours, and were not leading the class as I was). I finally drew it out of him that he wanted me to take my breaks at the end of the previous class, instead of at the start of my class.

Then he asked me what the student had asked me about. He told me that I was wrong to tell her to practice on a heavy bag, because of his past experience where students have had injuries and needed surgery (no details about it). That if a student asks a question and he hasn't told me the answer, I need to refer them to him instead of answering on my own. This is what confirmed for me my suspicion - he wasn't actually mad about me being a little late to class. If he was, he would have spoken up 4 years ago. He was jealous that a student went to me instead of him.

For the next 2 days, at the end of every class I was in, he publicly and sternly told me to take a break. After those two days, he called me back into his office, and said, "Do you understand now or do I need to keep telling you?"

I think he treats his instructors as the release from the frustrations he bottles up from the other students. And he can't take his ego being challenged. This was one of the incidents that is why I was planning on quitting, because he would do stuff like this. He wasn't physically abusive, but he was emotionally abusive and manipulative.
 
I'll give you a specific story to talk about what I mean.

I had been teaching under him for 4 years at this point. I was a 3rd degree black belt. I was there for every class; 5 hours a day, 6 days a week (on top of my day job). My typical routine was that I help out with 4 classes and take the 5th. I wouldn't take any break during the 4 classes I was helping with, then I would take a quick break during the black belt class stretching and warmup to use the restroom and get some water. Usually I would get back at the end of stretches or the start of punches. My rationale was that I didn't want to waste his time and money (when he's paying me to be an instructor), but it was okay to waste a little bit of my time and money between classes. (Classes were back-to-back with no break, so the previous class ended at 7:50 and my class started at 7:50).

One night, a student comes up to me at the end of the previous class to ask a question. She wanted to practice on a heavy bag at home, and wanted to know if it was a good idea. My opinion, which was informed by the opinion of another instructor at my dojang and also an overwhelming majority opinion online, is that this is a great idea to reinforce proper technique. I told her its a good idea. Then took my break. When I got out of the restroom, the Master had already started into the technique portion of class. I went to get on the mat, and he very sternly told me to wait.

Then, he went over some of the 3rd degree testing material that I needed. He hadn't gone over it with me yet in class. None of the students on the mat needed it. They were all 1st or 2nd degree. He specifically had them learn something I needed while I stood on the sidelines. Then he had me come on the mat, and the rest of class we only worked on 1st degree material.

After that, he called me into his office. He questioned my loyalty to him, because I skipped part of my class. He questioned my ethics and integrity. I tried to explain what I said above (about respecting his time and using my time for the break). He explained that all the other instructors were on time. (The other instructors had been there for only 1-2 hours, and were not leading the class as I was). I finally drew it out of him that he wanted me to take my breaks at the end of the previous class, instead of at the start of my class.

Then he asked me what the student had asked me about. He told me that I was wrong to tell her to practice on a heavy bag, because of his past experience where students have had injuries and needed surgery (no details about it). That if a student asks a question and he hasn't told me the answer, I need to refer them to him instead of answering on my own. This is what confirmed for me my suspicion - he wasn't actually mad about me being a little late to class. If he was, he would have spoken up 4 years ago. He was jealous that a student went to me instead of him.

For the next 2 days, at the end of every class I was in, he publicly and sternly told me to take a break. After those two days, he called me back into his office, and said, "Do you understand now or do I need to keep telling you?"

I think he treats his instructors as the release from the frustrations he bottles up from the other students. And he can't take his ego being challenged. This was one of the incidents that is why I was planning on quitting, because he would do stuff like this. He wasn't physically abusive, but he was emotionally abusive and manipulative.
Thanks for sharing this story. A few things ring true to me about being in a similar situation. If you look at this objectively when a little time has passed, you may start to realize that you are "getting a peak behind the curtain" and that your instructor is just a regular human being that puts his pants on one leg at time as most of us do. Not to minimize any of your thoughts or feelings but he is just a regular guy with his own foibles that happens to have 6 stripes on his belt. Yes, the number of stripes should start to represent a living standard of what all proponents should aspire if they continue to train as long as he has but in the end, a person cannot get away from themselves and their own very human tendencies to be human.

In my own situation, I have a very similar story and although it did make me a little angry to be treated this way, it is not really my circus and these are really not my monkeys. Having stepped away from the dojo I can see that it isn't running as smoothly as when I was there and they have decided to stop doing a tournament because there isn't anyone there interested or capable of organizing it. Part of me is quite sad to hear about how things are going but I am not in a space where I want to go back and pick up where I left off.

You may hear about how your old training hall is changing now that you are gone. Hopefully it will reinforce the impact that you had when you were there. Perhaps you will feel vindicated about all your complaints but I also hope you look back with a little compassion to see that he must also know that he is not perfect and that he is in the predicament he is in because of it.
 
You may hear about how your old training hall is changing now that you are gone. Hopefully it will reinforce the impact that you had when you were there.
There is a woman who trains at my old dojang who got her 3rd degree black belt last year. We went over some of those requirements while I was in town preparing for my 4th degree. She sent me a text later to tell me that she had done those items several times before, but it was me that helped her to really understand it.
 
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