Martial Arts are Witchcraft, just ask this guy!

[donnaTKD]

i totally agree that cat has got serious skills - should be allowed to compete on a bigger stage and to a wider audience

i'd love some of whatever it is that my dogs been taking lately - sure it's special powers that enable him to have a really good scrap with out getting any injuries at all must be possessed surely

 

[Balrog]

I don't know whose cat that is. Somebody emailed me that pic years ago and he got it off the Internet.

The last cat I had practiced the secret ninja art of watafumo: stealth cat-farting. He would do things like get behind the sofa or under your chair, then let one loose that would make you swear that something had crawled up inside him and died. What was really funny was if you happened to see him do it. He'd be lying there under the chair, then he'd fart and suddenly sit up and look around like he was trying to put the blame on somebody else.

I miss that little monster sometimes.

 

[donnaTKD]

my dog does (he's my avatar pic) a similar thing - he farts, smells his butt and then goes running into the other room "it wasn't me - honest "

it's amazing what kind of witchcraft and skullduggery our pets can get upto and yet we just laugh about it now that's witchcraft

leading you to believe that something is funny and not in the least bit disgusting cos you love them - gotta be something mystical and magical at play surely

 

[donnaTKD]

you'll have to get another cat and teach it some serious MA skills then you can get into a scrap knowing that your cat's got your back

 

[RTKDCMB]

Agreed. It's always the fundies who seem to ask the questions about heathen religious practices in the schools, etc.

In my school currently, I have four families that I know are Muslim, one that I know is Hindu, at least four Catholics and one solid agnostic. Several others that I don't know about, but I'll assume they are probably some form of Christianity until I learn otherwise. But it doesn't matter. Once we step on the floor, we are all worshiping in The Church Of The Jumping Sidekick. :boing1: Even my cat does.

Reminds me of my dog who knew Jui Shitzu.

 

[chrstnkenpoist]

I remember reading an article in INSIDE KUNG FU years ago where a woman pulled her son out of karate because it teaches us to worship "the God within."

Like anything else. It depends who you train with and what they teach. Many of the traditional arts taught with Buddhist and other eastern philosophies. I believe a lot of systems that are taught in the US have gotten away from this stuff but it was there. The person who posted all that stuff must’ve had a bad experience somewhere. It’s not right to paint all martial systems with that brush. It would be like painting all Christians with the brush of Jim Jones. At least that is in my humble opinion.

 

[CGMWilling]

Like anything else. It depends who you train with and what they teach. Many of the traditional arts taught with Buddhist and other eastern philosophies. I believe a lot of systems that are taught in the US have gotten away from this stuff but it was there. The person who posted all that stuff must’ve had a bad experience somewhere. It’s not right to paint all martial systems with that brush. It would be like painting all Christians with the brush of Jim Jones. At least that is in my humble opinion.

There are many forms of martial arts. Aikido Which relies on circular motion., many different forms of Japanese Karate, that works with Momentum to a large degree Judo, which is reliant on leverage Jiujitsu Which studies the joints in circular motion. Kung Fu, which imitates animal movements. (I am still confused about the dragon style) Did they study the movement of a real dragon? To lump these are all together and coming up with a hypothesis it is over 4000 years old seems a bit of a stretch. Well there are many instructors that want to turn themselves into God like images (which is not unusual) and perform demonstrations that make them appear to have powers that are beyond human i.e. The bed of nails where they put 100 pounds of their body weight On about One thousand nails (So each nail supports 1/10 of a pound) which is not enough to break the skin. And then put four patio blocks on top of them that are broken by a sledgehammer seems awesome! Until you realize at the patio blocks work like a bullet proof vest and absorb all the impact. I’m waiting for the time that they get the same treatment but without the patio blocks and take the sledgehammer directly to the stomach. Of course any organization it has someone in charge that dictates all the rules without question does sort of have a cult like look to it. Especially if you cannot ask questions. You just have to believe what is it, and drink the Kool-Aid. But the entire premise doesn’t seem to make sense. Farm implements such as sickles, nunchucks, Manrikigusari (Sorry for the spelling) etc. came along closer to the 1600s because the farmers were not allowed to own weapons like the samurai sword. Today there are things like physics and neurology and the actual laws that make it so that you cannot just check out your sword by cutting off your neighbors head. So whatever the origin (which I do not know what was going on four thousand years ago, All I can say is that it has been a passion of mine for over 50 years. I enjoy it as much now as I did when I started. So for those who want to appear more than human. I believe it was the words of General Stillwell: The higher a monkey climbs a pole the more you can see it’s ***. I am grateful for that confidence in my ability and the fact that I can live my life the way I choose without having to be intimidated buy some steroid head that has nothing but form with no function. I am lucky to have found the beauty in the study of self-defense. I am also proud of the fact that I have been able to pass along the knowledge I have procured to others that now have the confidence and ability to follow their own Path in life. It’s nice to feel that I have given back more to the world and I have taken from it. There are two sides to a coin. Before you choose to say is the negative extremist side, enjoy your life by giving yourself reasons to avoid and not experience some of the finer things that life has to offer. Here’s one of my friends said to me that was deeply into reincarnation “well, you’re only go around once you might as well enjoy it“. Respectfully, Grandmaster Willing

 

[Headbald]

I lean towards a pro-Protestant stance(for now) and here's my take on it. The moves in martial arts are all but secular actions to defend yourself, hurt, maim or kill an opponent(only to save yourself,if you value human life that is). There really is no sorcery or witchcraft involved. In fact, the Qi practices involved doesn't contain any demonic associations. "Qi" can also mean "breath" and how you can control how you hit powerfully also has reliance on your breath. If you want to hit something using Hard strength, stiffen the dantien, then mentally attach the stiffness to both feet then connect it to the right arm, left arm or both arms and then hit your target. Using a much more relaxed Soft method to hit is more complicated to explain. But those two methods are what Qi is about and no demons are being summoned. That is not to say that I would agree to performing deity associated(in name) forms like a Sun Wukong related staff form or Guan Yu Guandao form. For my own personal religious reasons.

 

[Darren]

WE ARE ALL INFIDELS!



Does anyone else find this insanely offensive?

as a holy roller preachers kid here, i can tell ya this guy is a religious nut, martial arts has helped me where know church ever has ever! that's all i can say, there two sides of life it seems, the physical which we live in and the spiritual, mankind takes care of the physical and god takes care of his side.

 

[Darren]

personally i wouldn't mind being "very adept at Mind control, Telepathy, Telekinetic, Mind reading, Astral projection and Soul travel"

soul travel sounds cool!

 

[Holmejr]

With all the take about UFO’s. Are they really from another galaxy or are they from another dimension or even spiritual in nature.

Among all the crazies, there are some really upstanding witnesses to these things. Hard to deny their existence, whatever they are.

I tend to believe that they are spiritual or other dimensional, possibly even demonic.

 

[Darren]

i find it funny that religion always comes into the fray at some point - never understood why. my reasoning is that i've seen and trained alongside people from all walks of life, different cultural backgrounds but once in the gym that all goes out of the window. people don't go forcing their ideas down your throat like they do outside the gym (i hate that) expecting you to change to their system of beliefs -- i believe in my training and the comfort and tranquility that i get from that and if that's devils work then hell i'll have lots more please

i got my flat tummy with plenty of muscles - so i'm not going to be strain on the health system - i'm fitter than i've ever been, i feel more "alive" in myself and yet i don't go to church cos my gym is my church, the stuff that's preached is beneficial to me in both the short and the long term, i don't don't go around invading countries and killing people cos that's not right in my book but hell muslims seem to think that's ok, the christians just fight and argue for the hell of it and the catholics would have us believe that more kids in the world would be better for us all. they all say that being a lesbian is devilish but no reason as to where they got that thought from.

forget this joker and his non devilish views and go back to your gym / dojo and do some more and think of him when you're knocking seven shades out of a bag

that's all my preacher father did was drag me to church! a lot of times it was Monday through Friday mornings, then church on Sunday morning and Sunday night, i mean how many times you have to hear Jesus died on a cross? I get it!! but its all i know, shameful!! don`t get me wrong Christians are good people and some of the best to hang out with and all that stuff, but good god i go to church and hear it, then get approached after service by some lady that asks me if i know Jesus, ahhh!!!

 

[Darren]

Does it say "God Hates" in the Bible? I'm curious. I didn't see that term in the quotes you provided.

think he did show that once, in that instance he flipped tables and used whips on people, also another time a woman was brought before Jesus and the hypo`s said this women has been married 7 times(heck i only had 9`10 step fathers myself) something like that and the the man she is with now is not even her husband(why was it not a gay person) think in the last instance even then it would have been stoning offense, so if they were really trying to trap him they could have stoned him right then and there.

 

[Darren]

My dad was born in 1888 in dirt poor, rural Italy. 63 years later I was born in Boston. When I was four my mom wanted me to start going to church. Dad told her, "Take him to every church, let him decide which one he wants to belong to."

So for the next year and a half mom would take me into "downtown Boston" (her phrase) and we'd go to a different church every weekend. We would go to a Protestant church one week, a Baptist church the next, a Synagogue the following, a Catholic the next, Methodist after that and on and on. I don't know how things are today, but when we were noticed we were welcome with open arms. Most times we just sat through the services going along with whatever they were doing. For a little kid who had never been in a church before it was pretty awesome. And churches were beautiful. They were unlike anything I had ever seen.

Little kids are usually taught by their parents and teachers. But religion and churches weren't really discussed in my house so I had no preconceived notions. All I knew was that churches were different than anything I had seen. They looked different, they felt different, they smelled different, they sounded different, the benches were uncomfortable and sometimes there was singing.

After a year and half of this, there was one thing I felt more than thought......they were all praying to the same Guy. They just weren't sure what to call him.

that`s how i was with my daughter, enrolled her in luthren church school, let her go to different churches, gave my baby girl everything i never had and she now has a belief in god and has turned out so wonderful!

 

[Darren]

On Christians and karate;

Is it right for a Christian to be involved in martial arts?

Even my holy roller preacher father found nothing wrong with martial arts, we live on a physical plane of existence and god is not coming down to stop a fist from smashing into your face or anything else.

 

[Prince_Alarming100]

This sort of writing does not do a great deal for the reputation of the church. All I have to say on the subject is that most of us middle of the road, common or garden Anglicans think those people are dangerous lunatics too.

 

[Darren]

Nonsense. I teach karate at my church. My pastor and his wife and son also attend the classes. Several churches in the area have martial arts programs as part of their ministry

funny i find peace through fighting and rolling on the mat, i started martial arts to better protect myself and to help others and to control my anger which Ive been working on 30 years, even in martial arts you can`t have anger and train right and you must have forgiveness too and goodwill to others, cause you just can`t blame people for not knowing you can`t, so you have to be forgiving.

 

[Darren]

I don't believe the truth of one faith over another was the issue in this thread. Debates about the validity of any faith are bound to go downhill real fast.

Let's get back to the topic of people saying that martial arts training violates a religion or is witchcraft, and get away from Faith X is true or not.

ATTENTION ALL USERS:

Please return to the original topic.

jks9199
MT Asst. Administrator

just now read this, done.

 

[Prince_Alarming100]

Apropos of nothing, I do a lot of yoga and I know people in church who think it's demonic. One rarely finds these attitudes in those with a theological training, it's more the rank and file who have outlandish Ideas like this. No, I don't think martial arts is witchcraft, but the views of some martial artists don't exactly help with this notion either. There are far too many of us who view chi, for instance, as being something akin to the force.

 

[Holmejr]

that's all my preacher father did was drag me to church! a lot of times it was Monday through Friday mornings, then church on Sunday morning and Sunday night, i mean how many times you have to hear Jesus died on a cross? I get it!! but its all i know, shameful!! don`t get me wrong Christians are good people and some of the best to hang out with and all that stuff, but good god i go to church and hear it, then get approached after service by some lady that asks me if i know Jesus, ahhh!!!

There a many unbalanced pastors and preachers. That is why there are pastors that pastor Pastors! Your father maybe should have been more sensitive to your needs. My father was an uptight drinking jerk. He could not express love easily, but built and fixed things. It wasn’t until I became a Christian that I leaned to not only forgive him, but understand him. This brought peace to our relationship b