jayoliver00
Black Belt
You can't even make any arguments and are now just crying.
And calm down, I don't even like BJJ that much. They're my main competition for new students.
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You can't even make any arguments and are now just crying.
And calm down, I don't even like BJJ that much. They're my main competition for new students.
Oily Dragon
Senior Master
Actually they are drawings.
Maybe they're in there. I honestly don't know, it's a massive compendium on multiple volumes. It describes wrestling and grappling techniques for training imperial soldiers, as well as instruction for everyone from medicine to poison, before you even get to the volumes on Beer Pong Crossbow X guard.
People have been locking legs 99% longer on this earth than the Gracie family has been alive bro. Just because they put their name on it doesn't mean they own it.
Oily Dragon
Senior Master
I'm making a pretty strong one right now.
Also, I'm pretty sure some of the drawings were Japanese people. Just try to picture them as Portuguese or something.
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The tone of your first sentence sounds like you're contradicting me, but I don't see any contradiction.
gerardfoy50
Green Belt
If that’s what the secret of bjj success is then fair enough, the Roman army became the best because it borrowed the best techniques and weapons from others, however they should not claim to be the inventors of such.
Oily Dragon
Senior Master
Google "suplay". You won't get an easy answer, but it's basically French for "supple" (shout out to my Rou Quan/Yao Kuen bros) and a core Greco-Roman concept.
I think the word you're looking for is <<souple>> (no "ay" sound on the end). Unless it's something in older French.Google "suplay". You won't get an easy answer, but it's basically French for "supple" (shout out to my Rou Quan/Yao Kuen bros) and a core Greco-Roman concept.
Jimmythebull
2nd Black Belt
Man..calm down
Jimmythebull
2nd Black Belt
You say this to others but the only person having a meltdown on this thread is you.
Oily Dragon
Senior Master
There's a fine line.
Suplay is the old English approximation of the French verb assouplir.
We are talking about action, after all.
And is very effective!!!
Question is whether TMA is open enough to learn to improve now that they know and known for 30 years. I like to see them get into the Octagon and win some fights. I am Chinese, I would LOVE to see CMA beating people in the octagon. I will be cheering them on. I am just waiting.
Guys, calm down. This thread is about BJJ that is originated from Judo. All the comments I have here ONLY compare BJJ to Judo. Not against other style.
It is a FACT Royce Gracie KILLED all the striking MA at the very beginning of UFC, don't try to deny that. People can make all the excuses in the world, that's the FACT. But then he got KILLED within like 10 years or so!!!!
In the past 50 years since Bruce Lee, then Royce Gracie, MA is evolving constantly. People open their eyes instead of blindly follow one style. Those that can be flexible and learn improve. Those who cannot got left behind. Look at Royce Gracie got KILLED by Matt Huges in the 2000s, it's pitiful, lasted like 2 minutes and they had to stopped the fight. Then Huges got beat within months.
Just by watching the UFC fights, I can pretty much tell what era the fight was in. You can see the improvement. It's a different world now with videos, there nowhere to hide, no more BS. Just go win.
I tend to like BJJ personally NOT because it's still the best. I have been training in TKD and Kick Boxing for a few years, those are all striking, BJJ is mostly grappling and very effective in that. BJJ will benefit me the most to combine striking with grappling. MMA for me might not be as efficient as I already learn the striking part. If I were to go to learn, BJJ would be on the top of my list, then MMA. This is just for my situation.
This is where I come from.
It is a FACT Royce Gracie KILLED all the striking MA at the very beginning of UFC, don't try to deny that. People can make all the excuses in the world, that's the FACT. But then he got KILLED within like 10 years or so!!!!
In the past 50 years since Bruce Lee, then Royce Gracie, MA is evolving constantly. People open their eyes instead of blindly follow one style. Those that can be flexible and learn improve. Those who cannot got left behind. Look at Royce Gracie got KILLED by Matt Huges in the 2000s, it's pitiful, lasted like 2 minutes and they had to stopped the fight. Then Huges got beat within months.
Just by watching the UFC fights, I can pretty much tell what era the fight was in. You can see the improvement. It's a different world now with videos, there nowhere to hide, no more BS. Just go win.
I tend to like BJJ personally NOT because it's still the best. I have been training in TKD and Kick Boxing for a few years, those are all striking, BJJ is mostly grappling and very effective in that. BJJ will benefit me the most to combine striking with grappling. MMA for me might not be as efficient as I already learn the striking part. If I were to go to learn, BJJ would be on the top of my list, then MMA. This is just for my situation.
This is where I come from.
Oily Dragon
Senior Master
Royce Gracie smoking all the striking MA? Na bro.
He lucked out for a little while (not much competition), and then got his face smashed with Muay Thai. So he went and learned that.
There was some very impressive striking TMA in the first UFCs.
Gracie won in the first two UFC, injured in the 3rd and then he disappeared. You call luck or whatever, he did win. That's the reason BJJ became so popular whether people like it or not. You see BJJ school all over the country, it's big business. I even have one within one miles.
Remember, I said Gracie was KILLED by Matt Huges not long after that, that was pitiful too, lasted less than 2 minutes. That's how it is, constantly improving. AND I paid like $30 for the pay per view!!!!
Muy Thai is very good. If I were to do it again at the time before MMA stuffs exist. I would not go to TKD and kick boxing, I would go to Muy Thai.
MMA basically is the combination of Muy Thai, boxing, TKD kicks, BJJ and some Wrestling. They also take in one or two things from other style that proofed to work. Like the front leg step kick to the knee from Wing Chung. They just incorporate anything that works and eliminate all the ones that doesn't.
Like I repeat, I favorite BJJ for myself ONLY because I had a few years in TKD and Kick Boxing, what I need more than anything else is grappling and BJJ will fit perfectly FOR ME. JUST ME. No one style is good enough anymore, people have to learn multiple styles or go to MMA.
drop bear
Sr. Grandmaster
They did though.
jayoliver00
Black Belt
You say this to others but the only person having a meltdown on this thread is you.
You said calm down to Alan and now you're crying b/c I said it to you? See the hypocrisy + irony?
Calm down and make an argument.
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jayoliver00
Black Belt
I think you're right. I re-read what you said and I read it somewhat, wrong.
jayoliver00
Black Belt
You still ignorant of those BJJ techniques that I argued; so until you know what they are, then you can't really make an argument as those pics you posted aren't even close.
Do you even train BJJ? If yes, then are you a White belt?
Oily Dragon
Senior Master
What is it with you and "making an argument". You sound like Stephen Molyneux.
I've trained with plenty of BJJ players, and can talk about BJJ all weekend with you if you want. I've been a grappler for over 20 years. Don't start throwing down over belt colors dude, or you are not going to make many friends.
It's truly mazing you think any of those 4 BJJ guards/techs are advanced, or innovative.
And I think it's really weird you're harping on the Bubishi, a manual that most certainly heavily influenced Judo, the source of BJJ.
Do you really think people just invented certain ways to pull a jacket here or there, or certain ways to hook legs inside or out?
Oily Dragon
Senior Master
I can't believe I just got DYETB'd.
