- Feb 23, 2014
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That is certainly some interesting logic. Thanks for sharing.In the context of this post that the OP started; which you voluntarily engaged my argument directly, is why it matters.
As it proves that what you train, can easily be replicated by a UFC Fighter (if they wanted to) and therefore, proving my point about training MMA being the highest level of MA training and being a UFC Champion, is the highest achievement in the MA's.
And vice versa, you are unable to train the way that a UFC Fighter does.
Real men/warriors don't risk their life, their ability to go to work the next day, or good-looking appearance for mere street conflicts. They know the true war is with their self/ego ... and perhaps their wife ;P .
I don't have a problem with sparring - it's fun, useful for practicing hitting a moving target under threatening pressure, good for getting exercise, getting used to being hit, etc., I said street conflicts. Perhaps your Fortune 50 company is working you too hard.Sounding more like an excuse, due to your fear of being hit in the face, medium to hard. I worked for a Fortune 50 company, and never had to worry about going to work the next day with bruises. They rarely happened with 16oz sparring gloves on. Only slight black eyes, but very rare. Unless you're a male model or something.
You quoting Hanshi and discussing.....man, I love this place.SIXTY years?! That beats my 55 (with a couple of layoffs). MA, at least TMA, is indeed a lifelong pursuit for some. Sure beats watching the grass grow and getting old. I think I'll be good till I'm eighty.
You mentioned your past use of both right and left leads. I (not a boxer) never understood why southpaw is looked down upon in boxing as a more dangerous stance. I worked a little with one of Kenny Norton's sparring partners who once tried to explain it to me - let's just say I couldn't grasp the concept. It seems to me that any disadvantage or advantage would be reciprocal, depending on who could best capitalized on it. In karate, being ambidextrous and able to switch leads is a huge plus.
A surprise grab that ties you up from behind is certainly tough to handle. Defender's reaction must be immediate, each fraction of a second reduces the chance of escape/counter. I think a lot of repetition, including "surprise" attacks, is needed to become skillful, as you cannot see the approach or tip off of what might be on the way and must make your move at the first touch (hopefully it's not your wife coming up with a hug.) I will admit it's not my strong point (rear body grabs, not hugs - I'm good at those.)
For example?it's you that putting arbitrary definitions on things
Hence the "no true scottsman" fallacy you are using.its clear that training fights in the gym counts as fights at least as far as my statements go
Bald assertion fallacy. Words have meanings. If you can't use them correctly, you suck at communication.and as it's my statement I get to pick what I mean by my statement
Tautological / no true Scottsman again.nb sniping is cowardice not fighting, anyone who is killing whilst staying well out of range is not fighting, they are executing, its little different to making them kneel and shooting them in the back of the head, it just requires a better shot
Simple trollingthe uneven weaponry when fighting the wars america keeps invoking its self in, make and comparison of fighting ability very difficult, but as they have a bad habit of loosing wars against ill trained but war experienced goat herders you've answered your own question
I agree. Which is why I always competed. But sparring in the dojo, to me anyway, was just part of overall training. It was the easiest part by far.Sport as a part of training is the premis of this thread.
My coaches heavily stress competition as a training tool. And why they compete in so many different arenas.
I agree. Which is why I always competed. But sparring in the dojo, to me anyway, was just part of overall training. It was the easiest part by far.
I'll bet it is. Ours was primarily striking, all kinds of striking. But it was like a night off compared to training. Except, you know, for the getting hit part. But getting hit is the one and only way to learn how not to get hit. A person can train blocking all they want, slipping all they want, avoiding all they want....but if there's no chance they'll actually get smacked...it doesn't mean much.Our fight training sparring is pretty onerous. Nobody wants to do that. Especially when we start getting in to shark tanks.
Ain't that the truth. You know that old saying, "Sweat in the dojo so you don't bleed in the street." But wait a second - I bled a few times in the dojo too! Those old sayings don't always tell you the whole story.We always believed that competition was like a day at the beach compared to training. And it really was.
I made certain promises to my students. Once I knew they were in for the long haul - you could usually tell after three to six months - I promised them "you might lose in a competition, you might even lose in a real fight, but I promise you you will never lose to someone who's in better shape than you'll be in.Ain't that the truth. You know that old saying, "Sweat in the dojo so you don't bleed in the street." But wait a second - I bled a few times in the dojo too! Those old sayings don't always tell you the whole story.
I agree that sport is a path, and should not be avoided. I think that the important thing is to get out of your school/community. If you only train with people from the same school then they probably all fight the same (generally). Fighting as many different people as possible is good! If you stay in your school and don't compete how do you find these people?When I said, "Sport is the path, combat is the goal". Some people may not agree that "Sport is the path". What's the other option besides using the sport format to test you MA skill?
I don't have a problem with sparring - it's fun, useful for practicing hitting a moving target under threatening pressure, good for getting exercise, getting used to being hit, etc., I said street conflicts. Perhaps your Fortune 50 company is working you too hard.
Fighting in an old style MMA competition (before MMA became a style of its own) is even better I think, but those are hard to find these days?