It was Paul Vunak who said that somebody with twenty years in another art could be beaten by somebody with one year in Gracie Jiu Jitsu. I suppose that's possible, but it's also possible for somebody with twenty years in Gracie Jiu Jitsu to be beaten by somebody with one year in another art.
Gracie Jiu Jitsu Vs Other Arts
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It's also possible for someone with 20 years of experience in (insert name of any martial art here) to be beaten by someone with no training in any martial art at all. There are a lot of factors that go into the outcome of any fight and martial arts training is just one of many.
In any case, that's a really old quote from Vunak, used as part of an advertisement. There's generally a certain amount of puffery which goes into advertising.
In any case, that's a really old quote from Vunak, used as part of an advertisement. There's generally a certain amount of puffery which goes into advertising.
Xue Sheng116 34
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Chuck Norris was defeated by a younger, less skilled fighter back in his compititon days because he talk to the kid prior to the match because the kid was so nervous. Ultimately Chuck felt bad for him and well, ended up losing.
skribs123 143
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BJ Penn, UFC champion, got knocked out in a bar fight.
Add "more sober" to the list.
skribs123 143
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A lot of this is going to depend on "beat in what"? A BJJ guy is not likely to fair well in a TKD competition, and a TKD guy is not likely to fair well in a BJJ competition. There's an old saying that goes something like, "Don't judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree."
Some arts might fair better in one competition than the inverse. For example, a Muay Thai fighter I think will have an easier time in a TKD competition than a TKD fighter in a Muay Thai competition. But if you start talking about taking a full-contact MT guy and a competitive TKD guy and put them into a point sparring Muay Thai competition (like MDL), then they'll be a lot more even.
Some arts might fair better in one competition than the inverse. For example, a Muay Thai fighter I think will have an easier time in a TKD competition than a TKD fighter in a Muay Thai competition. But if you start talking about taking a full-contact MT guy and a competitive TKD guy and put them into a point sparring Muay Thai competition (like MDL), then they'll be a lot more even.
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Yes that's also possible. After all, 20 years of training or experience can mean so many things. It can mean for instance that you've been taking one class a month and that you've been doing that for the last 20 years, that's 20 years of experience right there.
drop bear123 62
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A bigger difference in training methodology then.
We were talking a year of practical, resisted training with quality guys vs who knows what.
Now just about everyone trains live or adopts the wealth of quality martial arts instruction. So the scales are more balanced.
We were talking a year of practical, resisted training with quality guys vs who knows what.
Now just about everyone trains live or adopts the wealth of quality martial arts instruction. So the scales are more balanced.
HighKick
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Rules bound is just that. If a person is limited in say high kicks (or insert skill) and the how/when/why to use them withing the rules of competition, they will likely lose.
Move said person to a personal attack situation and everything changes.
philwhite49 4
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There are some good interviews with Bill Wallace and others on UFC 1 and how it was basically an ad for Gracie BJJ. Everything was stacked in Royce's favor. Hand picked opponents, no hand wraps, only Royce could wear a Gi (he choked shamrock with his gi), the sumo guy's match getting called early. I'm not taking anything away from Royce's skill. He would totally pretzle me but it was a bit sketch. UFC still has some weird rules that favor BJJ like no head kicks to downed opponents but a downed opponent can kick up.
In a real fight anything could happen. In competition rules sometimes favor one style over another. Also if you find the walace interview its pretty funny. It may have been samurai seth or the karate nerd. I forget. He says something like "I like to kick people".
In a real fight anything could happen. In competition rules sometimes favor one style over another. Also if you find the walace interview its pretty funny. It may have been samurai seth or the karate nerd. I forget. He says something like "I like to kick people".
BorntoRaiseHell
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yes all the BJJ people want people to believe this ..
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It depends on the person not the art. An art is only as good or as bad as the person doing it.yes all the BJJ people want people to believe this ..
BorntoRaiseHell
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yes but the BJJ communities always sold their Gag as the best thing since sliced bread
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If BJJ was the best art everybody would be doing it.
drop bear123 62
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Not really.
Training is designed in general to make people who are not good at things. Better at things.
If you are finding that the only people who are good at a thing are people who are naturally good at things. Then the training isn't doing what it is supposed to do.
Remember that, for example, athleticism, strength and fitness. (Really core traits for being able to do a physical activity)
Are trained really hard by people who are good at physical activity.
But when someone walks in to a gym and just handles everyone. Quite often because they are better physically.
Suddenly tgat is the individual. He just got that way via magic. And was not a result of training.
These mystical feats of genetic superiority. Often started somewhere mundane with an average person.
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Remind me again, I keep forgetting.... which art does not sell their Gag as the best thing since sliced bread?
drop bear123 62
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The difference is BJJ actually beat up a bunch of guys as part of that pitch.
One year of GBJJ?
Probably not.
One year of MMA?
Maybe.
Gracie BJJ as I witnessed in the early UFCās was weak on strikes and kicks and relied heavily on taking their opponent to the ground where they were uncomfortable.
I donāt think a one year practitioner in GBJJ would have a chance of taking me to the ground unless they hit me with a full out low-level run which would leave them exposed.
Iād give them a 25% chance of winning, at best.
A one year MMA trainee would have a much better chance since itās essentially BJJ plus boxing, kickboxing, Muay Thai, clinch fighting, etc.
Iād put their chances at 49% of winning.
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Some arts, lots of arts I would say, sell their Gag as the best thing including sliced bread.
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