Britain, do you still think Obama likes you?

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A story about President Obama selling the secrets of British nuclear weapons to the Russians to get them to sign his disarmament treaty. Obama does not like Britain, our best ally, and takes every chance he gets to show it. Are you feeling the love yet?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...-to-tell-Russia-Britains-nuclear-secrets.html

Defence analysts claim the agreement risks undermining Britain’s policy of refusing to confirm the exact size of its nuclear arsenal.

The fact that the Americans used British nuclear secrets as a bargaining chip also sheds new light on the so-called “special relationship”, which is shown often to be a one-sided affair by US diplomatic communications obtained by the WikiLeaks website.
 

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:lol:

America, what makes you think we care?
 
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Tez, you and your fellow British citizens should ask yourselves, what else is he doing to us behind the scenes?
 

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The last few presidents have made me rather ashamed of our government.
 

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Tez, you and your fellow British citizens should ask yourselves, what else is he doing to us behind the scenes?

Yeah, yeah. You want that we should become as paranoid as you are?
The truth is you don't know what is going on behind the scenes, you don't know how much the British and Americans work together behind the scenes and you certainly have no knowledge of the Great Game. We've been playing it for centuries and are certainly masters at it. You are naive in your believing only what you want to believe and in your attempts to put yourself forward as some sort of oracle who knows the truth while the rest of us sleep in ignorance. There is no great 'wake up call' here and if as you say Obama isn't a friend of the British well he's not the first president to be that way but he'll have enough common sense to know who his real friends are when push comes to shove, if he doesn't know how to play the game on the world stage he'll learn pdq as the rest of us run rings around him lol.

Grasshopper you are young in the ways of the world, stick around for a while and see how devious the UK really is,see why we have lasted for many centuries playing off one against another. If it appears that Obama is against us he will then have to make concessions to us to show he's not. America only sells us the launchers, we produce and maintain our own nuclear warheads,plus Trident is old and tired. The Russians knew all the details about them many years ago so Obama isn't giving them anything they don't know but of course they aren't going to say they know, we have to say we don't want the Russians knowing otherwise it doesn't look like Obama is giving the Russians something of value. If we said yes they can know it spoils the deal. So the Russians are given details about the launchers they already knew about and think Obama is their new best mate but of course they also have been playing the game for centuries so they know he isn't but it saves their face because they want to reduce their weapons because of the economic climate. It's the Great Game, it's what we do so, no the British aren't worried about Obama.
 
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I do have to say that despite the machinations of the Great Game, that was still not a grand thing for Obama to have done.

To me it matters not that the Russians have had a pretty good idea of this information for ages; what matters that Obama did it over our objections.

That can mean many things, too many to go into here; and some will work to our advantage in diplomatic terms, true. Doesn't mean that I, as an individual subject of the Crown, have to like our supposed ally sticking one in our back.

I guess that is why I'll never make a politician or high-stakes diplomat - I believe that giving my word is my bond, that you don't lie (even if you will suffer for not doing so) and you do not betray your friends confidences.

:chuckles: aye, not much hope of a political career for me :D.
 

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Obama is unable to separate his hatred for the Brits because they tortured his grandfather from his role as President. He's still a street organizer working on sticking it to the man. Unfortunately for all concerned the stakes are substantially higher this time around.

His lack of judgement regarding our allies makes him unfit to hold office, every other failing of his aside, IMNSHO.

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Suk, I wouldn't worry too much about it, the Americans seem to think they sell us the nuclear weapons, they don't, all they supply is the launchers. It's the world stage, with Afghanistan going on as well as various other situations where America needs back up as they, frankly, don't have many friends in the world, you don't think the Obama would sell the launcher secrets to the Russians without the tacit approval from the UK. It is the Great Game, things have to be done that don't always gel with what the public perceive.

We need politicians to lie sometimes thats why it's annoying to find out that some of them are very poor liars. World affairs are never what they seem and after all American presidents come and they go, the British really don't care what they say.

Truth be told the general public have never been as enthuisastic about us being cousins as the media protray, many Brits have relatives in Commonwealth countries such as Canada, Australia and New Zealand and it's to these countries that most Brits would claim a relationship with.
http://www.economist.com/blogs/bagehot/2010/07/special_relationship
 

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Obama is unable to separate his hatred for the Brits because they tortured his grandfather from his role as President. He's still a street organizer working on sticking it to the man. Unfortunately for all concerned the stakes are substantially higher this time around.

His lack of judgement regarding our allies makes him unfit to hold office, every other failing of his aside, IMNSHO.

Pax,

Chris


http://www.newsbiscuit.com/2010/08/...ary-action’-to-liberate-britain-from-the-nhs/
 

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Not really sure how that's relevant but it was good satire.

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Chris

Relevant in that's how we see America :)

Look we don't take our politicians seriously let alone anyone elses. The Kennedy's disliked the British as well and survived that. What Obama is or does doesn't impinge on the average Brits life in the slightest, the Six Nations rugby starts today much more important than whther Obama likes or dislikes us, we are arrogant and blase enough to think it doesn't matter what he thinks of us and if it's about his grandfather we shrug and say well the grandfather shouldn't have been in the Mau Mau to start with, an organisation known for it's nastiness and violence including torture.

http://ww2today.com/27th-september-1940-kennedy-the-british-are-a-lost-cause
 
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What irritates me about it is Obamas lack of wisdom and understanding. As an American I really dislike the way he is sticking to our friend and ally, especially when he is so friendly with all the really bad actors out on the world stage. Wether or not what he is doing has any real teeth to it, it doesn't really matter who makes the weapons, its that he is selling out a friend, a long time friend, to a former KGB agent, because of his twisted, community activist view of the world. It is pretty offensive.
 

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As Irene said: it's called the Great Game. What makes you think that suddenly, everything that is being reported in the media should be taken at face value, as if the politicians and intelligence departments have not been playing power politics for ages? This is a game of 'I know that you know we know, but you don't know for sure that we know you know we know'.

Somehow I don't think that the UK PM was watching FOX news, blissfully unaware, and suddenly went 'OMG Ponies, Obama told them Russkies our nukular secrets. Oh lawd, what is I go do?'
 

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What irritates me about it is Obamas lack of wisdom and understanding. As an American I really dislike the way he is sticking to our friend and ally, especially when he is so friendly with all the really bad actors out on the world stage. Wether or not what he is doing has any real teeth to it, it doesn't really matter who makes the weapons, its that he is selling out a friend, a long time friend, to a former KGB agent, because of his twisted, community activist view of the world. It is pretty offensive.


I think your view of the world is somewhat naive, it's politics, rarely worth getting the blood pressure up.
 

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I think your view of the world is somewhat naive, it's politics, rarely worth getting the blood pressure up.
Indeed it is politics. The republicans within are trying to win over more republicans at home. So they release an article that the ones at home don't know "fully" about. And it makes Obama look bad.

This won't be the last article that gets put out to make Obama look like an "anti-american" "socialist" "blah blah blah"
 

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