Attention All Kenpo Black Belts

[evenflow1121]

umm yeah, i knew about the first part. why not just call it chuan fa. just another muddled bunch of terminology.

My thoughts exactly.

 

[Andrew Green]

Naha is in Okinawa. I know a lot of westerners consider Japanese and Okinawans to be the same. But they are not. The are two distinctly differant people, with distinctly differant cultures.
Okinawa was merely colonized by Japan, just like Korea, Manchuria, and much of south east Asia. Okinawa just never got it's independance back.
So to say that Chuan Fa was in Japan because it was in Okinawa would be incorrect.

Okinawan Language is a Dialect of Japanese. Hence "Kempo"

Okinawa is a prefecture of Japan (like a state of the US)

Wasn't always a Prefecture, but it is now, and most of the young speak Mainland Japanese now.

 

[John Bishop]

Okinawan Language is a Dialect of Japanese. Hence "Kempo"

Okinawa is a prefecture of Japan (like a state of the US)

Wasn't always a Prefecture, but it is now, and most of the young speak Mainland Japanese now.

Okinawans are differant, plain and simple. Are you going to tell the Scots and Welsh that their English because they're part of the U.K.?

 

[The Kai]

Naha is in Okinawa. I know a lot of westerners consider Japanese and Okinawans to be the same. But they are not. The are two distinctly differant people, with distinctly differant cultures.
Okinawa was merely colonized by Japan, just like Korea, Manchuria, and much of south east Asia. Okinawa just never got it's independance back.
So to say that Chuan Fa was in Japan because it was in Okinawa would be incorrect.

Sure Kung fu made it to okinwan where it was taught ans combines with Te, making Karate. However there is no evidence the arts of Kung Fu actualy ever made it to mainland Japan. Until later when Karate arrived through Okinawa

 

[BlackCatBonz]

Naha is in Okinawa. I know a lot of westerners consider Japanese and Okinawans to be the same. But they are not. The are two distinctly differant people, with distinctly differant cultures.
Okinawa was merely colonized by Japan, just like Korea, Manchuria, and much of south east Asia. Okinawa just never got it's independance back.
So to say that Chuan Fa was in Japan because it was in Okinawa would be incorrect.

well john......i was merely stating tha chuan fa did indeed cross the sea to another place. i understand that okinawa is a different place with different people. i merely used that statement as a vehicle to say that it is not entirely impossible for chuan fa to have reached japan proper.

 

[BlackCatBonz]

Because they were in a Japanese speaking region?

the american kenpo guys that started chinese kenpo were in a japanese speaking region?
i stand corrected

 

[Raven001]

The program make more sense now. I did see him listed under 8th on the Tracy website and if Al gives him the approval then it seems ok. It does sound wierd on the website but if you train the 2 years before you can test for 2nd Dan then it would be ok. My instructor does something similar but doesnt give a rank and lets us train in jujutsu after 1st dan

 

[The Kai]

the american kenpo guys that started chinese kenpo were in a japanese speaking region?
i stand corrected

The Guys that started Kenpo were Japanese speaking people in an American region!
i was merely stating tha chuan fa did indeed cross the sea to another place. i understand that okinawa is a different place with different people. i merely used that statement as a vehicle to say that it is not entirely impossible for chuan fa to have reached japan proper

Sure it was called karate when it reached Japan proper!!

 

[BlackCatBonz]

oi vey......this is one circle im going to attempt to jump out of.....lol