Are these effective SD skills?

[RoninPimp]

He's been doing this over 60 years. Think that makes him qualified to decide the effectiveness. Of course, since there was no audio, and my understanding is he doesn't teach in english, we miss much of what was being explained. Again though, we encounter the differences between UFC fantasy, and traditional arts. Notice the shots to the back of the head at one point.

-So, basically "Hatsumi says so" is your argument? That's nonsense.

 

[Edmund BlackAdder]

-So, basically "Hatsumi says so" is your argument? That's nonsense.

I don't know who is more removed from reality. You or Phil.

That isn't what I'm saying. I'm saying that his 60+ years of experience makes him more qualified than you or I. But, I have more experience with Buj. training than you do.

 

[RoninPimp]

I don't know who is more removed from reality. You or Phil.

That isn't what I'm saying. I'm saying that his 60+ years of experience makes him more qualified than you or I. But, I have more experience with Buj. training than you do.

-How do you not see that that is the same thing as "Hatsumi says so"? You're going on his word and nothing more. Kinda like people went on the word of the church in Rome that the world is flat.

 

[Andrew Green]

Hatsumi says so is good enough in some circles, just like Rickson sasy so is good enough in others.

I think both circles are wrong, because I can't do what either of them can do

 

[Bigshadow]

Are the demonstrated skills effective for SD?

Yes, most certainly. More importantly the skills you cannot see in the demonstration that are right before your eyes.

And if you say yes, then how do you explain all the MMA footage AND the random fight footage of non trained people available online that doesn't look anything like the video of Hatsumi?

I think you just answered your own question.

 

[Edmund BlackAdder]

-How do you not see that that is the same thing as "Hatsumi says so"? You're going on his word and nothing more. Kinda like people went on the word of the church in Rome that the world is flat.

I'm not going on his word. Never spoke to the man. Never met him. I am however going on the opinion of numerous others, all of whom are much more qualified than I to make that judgement. They tell me he is the real deal. I have seen nothing to change that.

 

[Edmund BlackAdder]

Yes, most certainly. More importantly the skills you cannot see in the demonstration that are right before your eyes.


I think you just answered your own question.

He did.

And David, my apologies.

 

[Bigshadow]

-He may be fluid, but his uke's were going VERY light.

True! But you are only seeing part of it.

 

[Bigshadow]

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Out of all these self defense threads I have read, why do they all boil down to someone asking the same old question for which there are already hundreds of threads? Which BTW is... Is my MMA better than your art? or whatever? I like a good debate and to talk shop, but geesh... These threads are getting old.
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Cheers folks!

 

[cfr]

RP, you are obviously missing the magical, mystical , bigger picture of it all.

 

[RoninPimp]

Yes, most certainly. More importantly the skills you cannot see in the demonstration that are right before your eyes.


I think you just answered your own question.

-Please elaborate on these skills that are right before my eyes.

-OK, how about footage of anybody, of any skill level, fighting for real, or for sport. None I have ever seen looks like what Hatsumi demonstrates. Can you point me in the direction of footage that has resisting oponents being defeated with those techniques? With the research power that the interweb provides, I'm sure that if it exists, it can be found for all to see...

 

[RoninPimp]

I'm not going on his word. Never spoke to the man. Never met him. I am however going on the opinion of numerous others, all of whom are much more qualified than I to make that judgement. They tell me he is the real deal. I have seen nothing to change that.

-So opinions of those whose only evidence is more opinion of hypothetical technique is enough to form an accurate opinion? That is about as shaky as it gets...

 

[RoninPimp]

True! But you are only seeing part of it.

-So the most important part of the demonstration isn't in the demonstration? Man, those ninjas sure are secretive...

 

[cfr]

-Please elaborate on these skills that are right before my eyes.

-OK, how about footage of anybody, of any skill level, fighting for real, or for sport. None I have ever seen looks like what Hatsumi demonstrates. Can you point me in the direction of footage that has resisting oponents being defeated with those techniques? With the research power that the interweb provides, I'm sure that if it exists, it can be found for all to see...

Thats an awesome question, and I agree. We never, ever, anywhere, see fights that look like these techs do. Not sport, real SD, no where!!! Im sure now it will be chalked up to something like "someone with these skills doesnt need to get into fights" or the like.

 

[Edmund BlackAdder]

-So opinions of those whose only evidence is more opinion of hypothetical technique is enough to form an accurate opinion? That is about as shaky as it gets...

Don't you have to go cuddle with some hot sweaty Gracie wannabe to test those mad UFC skillz of yours? Stick to your sport fighting stuff, and leave the traditional stuff to the adults.

The opinions I am talking about here, are from individuals who have in fact used these same techniques, in combat, in life or death situations, in self defense. Not in a sport fighting, rule covered, refed event at 9pm on Spike TV. I have seen the same pointed uneducated question asked as you have, on a dozen boards, over 10 years. The answer is always the same. Those who know, understand and believe. Those who lack the knowledge, sit back and laugh.

If I only need my fist to break you, I will never draw my gun. If I need my gun, it will default to speed and skill. In the case of Dr. Hatsumi, he has both.

 

[Bigshadow]

-So the most important part of the demonstration isn't in the demonstration? Man, those ninjas sure are secretive...

No it is there. Look harder. (seriously).

 

[RoninPimp]

The opinions I am talking about here, are from individuals who have in fact used these same techniques, in combat, in life or death situations, in self defense.

-Details please. Otherwise ****.

 

[RoninPimp]

No it is there. Look harder. (seriously).

-Please elaborate. I've watched it several times.

 

[Bigshadow]

Thats an awesome question, and I agree. We never, ever, anywhere, see fights that look like these techs do. Not sport, real SD, no where!!!

Your right! What you were watching was a training seminar, not a throwdown, UFC match or Mugging.

 

[Edmund BlackAdder]

-Details please. Otherwise ****.

Ah, the sewer denizen traditional response. You forget your location mudpit trollkin. The details are there, here, on MAP, on EBudo, on BudoSeek, even in that sewer USENET. I can't be bothered to spoon feed it to you.

In fact, some of the answers are in this thread, but you will refuse to acknowledge them as you'll only be happy if you get to beat up an old man (or rather try) so you can proudly bang on your inbred chest on how your mad UFCfu is so great, again.