Some McDojos get that far. Some don't. There's one near me that I classify in that group. I've seen their demos, and even in demo mode they look inept. Their "flashy" stuff (what most break out for demos) looks like a yellow-belt karateka designed it. A yellow belt with bad stances, almost no effective movement/footwork, poor timing, and weak blocks...for a yellow belt.My belief is that people train for many different reasons. But as far as self-defense goes, a solid upper body block punch is far more effective than no training at all. McDojos can, I believe, handle that much. Doesn't make them great fighters; they don't typically have to be.