Aikido has no reason to prove itself!

Anarax

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Not the technique failing...but the reaction of the instructor.
Though I agree with you that the instructor failed to effectively execute the technique, the training methodology is what shaped his inability to do so effectively.
 

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Yeah. When technically you could go anywhere and see the same results.

I don't know many reputable fighters who think Aikido has much meril
you could go anywhere and see the same result as something which hasnt been done to give a result.

how exactly does that work
 

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That's pure fantasy.
These are genuine techniques which are being demonstrated, and that is one of the philosophies they abide by too. As to whether they work or not, that's not for me to say as I have never tried them out myself.
 

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But what if the attacker doesn't commit to that punch? I've never seen videos of aikido training that account for that. If they fight the way I see them train, they're going to get baited by a fake jab and get hit with a cross every time.
I don't know. That's one of the primary ways they counter it, as to whether it works or not is something else which I can't give an informed answer on. But do consider, that many of the throws in Judo (a much more repsected martial art) are applied to fully commited punches too, yet I have no doubts a Judoka could manhandle a boxer if they were skilled enough.
 

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Well, whatever the various "sides" are trying to prove is somehow missing the target. A few principles first: 1. If the attacker doesn't commit to his punch, you commit to yours. 2. Anyone can resist aikido techniques, even I can do that. 3. Resistance; when a road is blocked logic says take an alternate route. 4. Having a black belt means only that you have a black belt, nothing more. 5. NO style wins a fight! Only a person can win a fight.

Every martial art I'm aware of has been ridiculed and criticized at some point. Yes, I know black belts who couldn't punch their way out of a paper bag. I've known black belt judoka who couldn't slip a punch if they were dipped in motor oil. Sport karate/tkd/judo/mma/boxing, you name it; there are two sides to every martial art coin. I've taught both judo and aikido and consider the falls in aikido to be the much rougher of the two. Judo as well as aikido/hapkido/karate and boxing can be either a sport or a martial art and sometimes can be both at once. I'll always remember what my aikido sensei taught and this was always weapons first before empty hands. Our specialty just happened to be "environmental weapons" or any and every thing.
 

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I worked in a overnight arrest unit for a time. A woman, a brown belt in Karate, heard I was also a Karateka. She started to debate me on something or other.

I asked her how often they spar in her school. I will never forget her answer.

She said, “I’ve never actually seen sparring.”

I still can’t believe it. There is bs just about everywhere.
 

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I worked in a overnight arrest unit for a time. A woman, a brown belt in Karate, heard I was also a Karateka. She started to debate me on something or other.

I asked her how often they spar in her school. I will never forget her answer.

She said, “I’ve never actually seen sparring.”

I still can’t believe it. There is bs just about everywhere.
Man, the living creature, the creating individual, is always more important than any established style or system. - Bruce Lee

Said by the man who dropped the fixed forms, advocated strength and physical conditioning when everyone else said it made you slow, actively encouraged people to blend and mix their styles and to create their own paradigm.
 
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I worked in a overnight arrest unit for a time. A woman, a brown belt in Karate, heard I was also a Karateka. She started to debate me on something or other.

I asked her how often they spar in her school. I will never forget her answer.

She said, “I’ve never actually seen sparring.”

I still can’t believe it. There is bs just about everywhere.
Yeah, that's crazy!!! I've spoken to a lot of people from different martial art styles who say similar things.
 

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If you look at Tomiki aikido he has a system with Judo Randori ..tanto dori.
i see this as not bad & the tai sabaki to use to avoid a punch as does Wado ryu karate (shindo yoshin ryu) principles. However Wado ryu attacks straight away. nice .
 

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Then wear armour and perform your techniques. There are other systems that wear armor as well.


If someone from a system does not wish to participate then they do not have to participate. They can train and practice like they always have.


TLDR from since i saw this. But the funny thing is most HEMA is simulated unarmoured combat. Some groups and sports do armoured combat, but the bulk is just nessisary protection for unarmoured. and not in peroid armour.

Also as far as japan goes last i heard their training system would be, you do it right or you get hit with a bokken or shinai at close to full speed or full speed. (working up to that level at least) Need to look that one up to see if its true though, i think they did that is all i can say. In a similar way you would get thawaked in HEMA if you did something wrong. Great incentive to do it right though. And it also helps the person attacking learning as well if they just pull the last second.

Addendum: But yes you should use what ever PPE you deem appriapriate and nesssiary or the law dicates you should use.
 
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