So what exactly does this mean in martial arts? Many of the moves shown are the same as what I have been taught, or have found myself.... and I teach them. Am I supposed to not use them or teach them now that I saw them in his video? What exactly makes this "proprietary?" I am certainly not taking them out of my tool box or out of my class....
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Certainly anyone who learns the full system can practice it and teach it as they like. But they can't use the SafeWrap (TM) name without abiding by the licensing requirements.
Ryron and Rener are also trying to patent the entire process involved in the system, but I'm not sure that would hold up in court. However they make it clear that they are not trying to patent any of the individual moves or techniques, but the entire original specific integrated system.
My suspicion as a non-lawyer educated layperson with an amateur's interest in legal matters is that you'd be in the clear teaching the same system as long as you didn't use the SafeWrap name and you didn't exactly follow their course curriculum step by step.
Look up the ussd and z-ultimate lawsuit for a precedent on that.
isshinryuronin
Senior Master
I was sparring a beginner and got too lax, having my left hand dangling. Sure enough a kick crashed into it, jamming it good. It did allow me, though, to get off work the next day. I call this the "Isshinryu Ronin Method" of getting a free day's pay and hereby declare it proprietary. Henceforth, anyone caught making a poor fist and gets hurt requiring taking a paid sick day will be hearing from my attorney.
It’s like the P- 90 Exercise system or Tae Bo exercise/weight loss program. You had to be certified to teach them and use the names.
When TaeBo was big (Fricken huge) everybody was trying to make money off it.
Including a well known TKD instructor out here. I saw their ad in the newspaper and called my buddy, the creator of Tae-Bo.
The lawyers put a stop to that ad in 24 hours. They didn’t care what the person taught, they just couldn’t advertise the trademarked name.
I guess it depends on how these things are defined....
Are the "inventive processes" the specific combinations? Are the "components" the individual techniques?
Danzan Ryu, Aikido, Shotokan, (insert many other arts)..... all practice multiple attacker situations in addition to 1 on 1 combat.... Are we now not supposed to be using those particular techniques and combos.....
I am going to trade mark and patent jabs, double jabs, the 1-2 combo, and shooting for a wrestling style takedown....
Are the "inventive processes" the specific combinations? Are the "components" the individual techniques?
Danzan Ryu, Aikido, Shotokan, (insert many other arts)..... all practice multiple attacker situations in addition to 1 on 1 combat.... Are we now not supposed to be using those particular techniques and combos.....
I am going to trade mark and patent jabs, double jabs, the 1-2 combo, and shooting for a wrestling style takedown....
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So I picked up a set of the cheap generic bone-conduction headphones ... and we immediately got a solid week of rain which wasn't suitable for walking. Finally got a chance to try them out for a walk on Sunday.
The volume and sound quality were adequate, but kind of meh. Maybe the expensive ones would have been better, but I couldn't justify the cost. They did do the job in that they did not block any sound at all from my environment, so I will be using them for my walks going forward.
I definitely need to be walking more consistently. (While throwing punches, as @Kung Fu Wang does.) I was feeling the effort much more than I should for less than an hour's walk.
interesting, that I’ve read many comments to the effect that “yeah, FMA (Kali, Escrima) are great if you want to go to jail…” many schools of the FMA are not interested the sports aspect and stay with original intent, think Lapu Lapu, General Ablen, WW2. I think sports make MA somehow legitimate, humane and NICE in the public’s eye. If Martial means military or combat, maybe we can come up with another name for the sports version.
A few of my neighbors have the 6 to 12 year olds in TKD. When I said to them that it’s a nice martial art, they quickly said “oh, it’s not for fighting, it’s for the discipline and a good activity”. Of course I happily encouraged them to stay the course.
A few of my neighbors have the 6 to 12 year olds in TKD. When I said to them that it’s a nice martial art, they quickly said “oh, it’s not for fighting, it’s for the discipline and a good activity”. Of course I happily encouraged them to stay the course.
windwalker099
Master Black Belt
With @Kung Fu Wang’s way of walking.
He seems to have a clear sense of what he’s after and expects from it.
Walking, always good.
Walking without any expectation, not even the idea of expectation.
Might be worth trying.
In some Taiji traditions, this kind of practice is called 空身 (kōngshēn), “empty body” or “transparent body.”
"The takeaway I discovered was the apparently simple walking meditation is a subtle, complex structure to help us access inner and outer reality. Walking meditation is a practice based not on interruption, exactly, but on receptivity to the new or unexpected. As Ken Kessel, Zen Master Jok Um, once told me, only delusion can be interrupted, not “the objective flow” of fundamentally uninterruptible concentration and attention."
isshinryuronin
Senior Master
There is no doubt that repurposing self-defense to sport fundamentally changes the art. Many masters in the mid 1900's expressed that the true nature of karate is not compatible with sport - "I think we must avoid treating karate as a sport." (Chosin Chibana). I think if done properly, recognizing the differences, some sport aspect is OK. It should be acknowledged that organized sport karate has become a "style" in its own right.
IMO, the downside of sport is that it's largely dependent on pure physical ability (as endurance and ability to absorb punishment is key) and thus success in that arena is restricted to a large degree to those that have that have that blessing. A self-defense use of TMA lasts only seconds, so physical conditioning is not quite as important, technique being dominant. "A mastery of karate does not depend on the learner's physical constitution but mainly on constant practice." (Chotoku Kyan).
FMA has (from my limited view) better resisted being turned into sport (as have some old-style Okinawan schools) but it has originated and developed in a much different historical and social environment than karate.
It is a good activity for kids, even without the martial aspect (though it seems a waste to ignore such a valuable component of the art). Nowadays, karate has fragmented into several subsets: self-defense, exercise, sport and personal development - schools incorporating these in varying proportions. But each of these inherently contain overlapping elements of the other - there are benefits for everyone.
