A different perspective

[wab25]

The full system is proprietary and trademarked

So what exactly does this mean in martial arts? Many of the moves shown are the same as what I have been taught, or have found myself.... and I teach them. Am I supposed to not use them or teach them now that I saw them in his video? What exactly makes this "proprietary?" I am certainly not taking them out of my tool box or out of my class....

 

[Tony Dismukes]

So what exactly does this mean in martial arts? Many of the moves shown are the same as what I have been taught, or have found myself.... and I teach them. Am I supposed to not use them or teach them now that I saw them in his video? What exactly makes this "proprietary?" I am certainly not taking them out of my tool box or out of my class....

Certainly anyone who learns the full system can practice it and teach it as they like. But they can't use the SafeWrap (TM) name without abiding by the licensing requirements.

Ryron and Rener are also trying to patent the entire process involved in the system, but I'm not sure that would hold up in court. However they make it clear that they are not trying to patent any of the individual moves or techniques, but the entire original specific integrated system.

The intellectual property (IP) rights associated with the SafeWrap system do not affect the personal practice of martial arts in any way, whatsoever.

Gracie University makes no claim to the Twisting Arm Control (aka “Gift Wrap”) position commonly used in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu (BJJ), nor does it make any claim to any leg entanglements (aka “leg laces”) that are commonly used in grappling sports.

The IP rights afforded to Gracie University extend exclusively to the novel and inventive processes and components of the SafeWrap system with the objective of restraining an individual who poses a threat to themselves or others.

Furthermore, since the SafeWrap must be applied by at least two people against a single subject, there is no possibility that anyone engaging in regular 1-on-1 martial arts practice, BJJ or other, would be able to infringe on the IP associated with the SafeWrap system.

My suspicion as a non-lawyer educated layperson with an amateur's interest in legal matters is that you'd be in the clear teaching the same system as long as you didn't use the SafeWrap name and you didn't exactly follow their course curriculum step by step.

 

[Monkey Turned Wolf]

Certainly anyone who learns the full system can practice it and teach it as they like. But they can't use the SafeWrap (TM) name without abiding by the licensing requirements.

Ryron and Rener are also trying to patent the entire process involved in the system, but I'm not sure that would hold up in court. However they make it clear that they are not trying to patent any of the individual moves or techniques, but the entire original specific integrated system.



My suspicion as a non-lawyer educated layperson with an amateur's interest in legal matters is that you'd be in the clear teaching the same system as long as you didn't use the SafeWrap name and you didn't exactly follow their course curriculum step by step.

Look up the ussd and z-ultimate lawsuit for a precedent on that.

 

[isshinryuronin]

Many of the moves shown are the same as what I have been taught, or have found myself.... and I teach they. Am I supposed to not use them or teach them now

I was sparring a beginner and got too lax, having my left hand dangling. Sure enough a kick crashed into it, jamming it good. It did allow me, though, to get off work the next day. I call this the "Isshinryu Ronin Method" of getting a free day's pay and hereby declare it proprietary. Henceforth, anyone caught making a poor fist and gets hurt requiring taking a paid sick day will be hearing from my attorney.

 

[Buka]

Certainly anyone who learns the full system can practice it and teach it as they like. But they can't use the SafeWrap (TM) name without abiding by the licensing requirements.

Ryron and Rener are also trying to patent the entire process involved in the system, but I'm not sure that would hold up in court. However they make it clear that they are not trying to patent any of the individual moves or techniques, but the entire original specific integrated system.



My suspicion as a non-lawyer educated layperson with an amateur's interest in legal matters is that you'd be in the clear teaching the same system as long as you didn't use the SafeWrap name and you didn't exactly follow their course curriculum step by step.

It’s like the P- 90 Exercise system or Tae Bo exercise/weight loss program. You had to be certified to teach them and use the names.

When TaeBo was big (Fricken huge) everybody was trying to make money off it.
Including a well known TKD instructor out here. I saw their ad in the newspaper and called my buddy, the creator of Tae-Bo.

The lawyers put a stop to that ad in 24 hours. They didn’t care what the person taught, they just couldn’t advertise the trademarked name.

 

[wab25]

I guess it depends on how these things are defined....

Are the "inventive processes" the specific combinations? Are the "components" the individual techniques?

Danzan Ryu, Aikido, Shotokan, (insert many other arts)..... all practice multiple attacker situations in addition to 1 on 1 combat.... Are we now not supposed to be using those particular techniques and combos.....

I am going to trade mark and patent jabs, double jabs, the 1-2 combo, and shooting for a wrestling style takedown....