2nd Amendment rights.. WAKE UP AMERICA

[kailat]

**** OBAMA Body: Barack Obama voted to allow reckless lawsuits designed to bankrupt the firearms industry

National Rifle Association of America, Institute for Legislative Action taken from United States Senate, S 397, vote number 219, July 2, 2005


Barack Obama wants to re impose the failed and discredited Clinton Gun Ban

National Rifle Association of America, Institute for Legislative Action taken from Independent Voters of Illinois/Independent Precinct Organization general candidate questionnaire, Sept 9, 1996 The responses on this survey were described in “Obama had greater role on liberal survey,” Politico, March 31, 2008


Barack Obama voted to ban almost all rifle ammunition commonly used for hunting and sport shooting
National Rifle Association of America, Institute for Legislative Action taken from Independent Voters of Illinois/Independent Precinct Organization general candidate questionnaire, Sept 9, 1996
The responses on this survey were described in “Obama had greater role on liberal survey,” Politico, March 31, 2008


Barack Obama has endorsed a complete ban on handgun ownership
National Rifle Association of America, Institute for Legislative Action taken from Independent Voters of Illinois/Independent Precinct Organization general candidate questionnaire, Sept 9, 1996 The responses on this survey were described in “Obama had greater role on liberal survey,” Politico, March 31, 2008


Barack Obama supports local gun bans in Chicago, Washington, D C , and other cities
National Rifle Association of America, Institute for Legislative Action taken from David Wright, Ursula Fahy and Sunlen Miller, "Obama: 'Common Sense Regulation' On Gun Owners' Rights," ABC News' "Political Radar" Blog, http://blogs abcnews com, 2/15/08


Barack Obama voted to uphold local gun bans and the criminal prosecution of people who use firearms in self defense
National Rifle Association of America, Institute for Legislative Action taken from Illinois Senate, March 25, 2004 SB 2165, vote 20


Barack Obama supports gun owner licensing and gun registration
National Rifle Association of America, Institute for Legislative Action taken from “Fact Check: No News In Obama's Consistent Record ” Obama ’08, December 11, 2007


Barack Obama opposes Right to Carry laws
National Rifle Association of America, Institute for Legislative Action taken from “Candidates' gun control positions may figure in Pa vote,” Pittsburgh Tribune Review, Wednesday, April 2, 2008, and "Keyes, Obama Are Far Apart On Guns," Chicago Tribune, 9/15/04


Barack Obama was a member of the Board of Directors of the Joyce Foundation, the leading source of funds for anti gun organizations and research
National Rifle Association of America, Institute for Legislative Action taken from 1998 Joyce Foundation Annual Report, p 7


Barack Obama supported a proposal to ban gun stores within 5 miles of a school or park, which would eliminate almost every gun store in America
National Rifle Association of America, Institute for Legislative Action taken from “Obama and Gun Control,” The Volokh Conspiracy, taken from the Chicago Defender, Dec 13, 1999


Barack Obama voted not to notify gun owners when the state of Illinois did records searches on them
National Rifle Association of America, Institute for Legislative Action taken from Illinois Senate, May 5, 2002, SB 1936 Con , vote 26


Barack Obama voted against a measure to lower the Firearms Owners Identification card age minimum from 21 to 18, a measure designed to assist young people in the military
National Rifle Association of America, Institute for Legislative Action taken from Illinois Senate, March 25, 2003, SB 2163, vote 18


Barack Obama favors a ban on standard capacity magazines
National Rifle Association of America, Institute for Legislative Action taken from “Clinton, Edwards, Obama on gun control,” Radio Iowa, Sunday, April 22, 2007


Barack Obama supports mandatory micro stamping
National Rifle Association of America, Institute for Legislative Action taken from Chicago Tribune blogs, “Barack Obama: NIU Shootings call for action,” February 15, 2008


Barack Obama supports mandatory waiting periods
National Rifle Association of America, Institute for Legislative Action taken from Independent Voters of Illinois/Independent Precinct Organization general candidate questionnaire, Sept 9, 1996 The responses on this survey were described in “Obama had greater role on liberal survey,” Politico, March 31, 2008


Barack Obama supports repeal of the Tiahrt Amendment, which prohibits information on gun traces collected by the BATFE from being used in reckless lawsuits against firearm dealers and manufacturers
National Rifle Association of America, Institute for Legislative Action taken from Barack Obama campaign website: “As president, Barack Obama would repeal the Tiahrt Amendment


Barack Obama supports one gun a month sales restrictions
National Rifle Association of America, Institute for Legislative Action taken from “Obama and Gun Control,” The Volokh Conspiracy, taken from the Chicago Defender, Dec 13, 1999


Barack Obama supports a ban on inexpensive handguns
National Rifle Association of America, Institute for Legislative Action taken from “Obama and Gun Control,” The Volokh Conspiracy, taken from the Chicago Defender, Dec 13, 1999


Barack Obama supports a ban on the resale of police issued firearms, even if the money is going to police departments for replacement equipment

National Rifle Association of America, Institute for Legislative Action taken from “Obama and Gun Control,” The Volokh Conspiracy, taken from the Chicago Defender, Dec 13, 1999


Barack Obama supports mandatory firearm training requirements for all gun owners and a ban on gun ownership for persons under the age of 21
National Rifle Association of America, Institute for Legislative Action taken from “Obama and Gun Control,” The Volokh Conspiracy, taken from the Chicago Defender, Dec 13, 1999

 

[terryl965]

Well the people will speak for who they want and that looks like Obama.

 

[tellner]

FEAR! FEAR! FEAR!

The Scary Black Man will come and take your guns away!

The Republicans took the House and Senate on this issue fourteen years ago. A Democratic Party that is too frightened of the GOP to block a single one of its bills when the Dems are the majority party isn't going to repeat 1994. They may be cowardly and incestuous. But they aren't stupid.

The Supreme Court is about to rule that the RKBA is an individual right. And they will almost certainly make an expansive ruling on the subject.

Obama is an Illinois politician. In Illinois even the hard core Republicans support severe gun restrictions. Now that he's on the national stage he's changed his position to reflect national realities. See the comment above. He's a lot of things. Stupid isn't one of them. He realizes that anything like the 1994 Act will have him and his Party tossed out again.

Finally, the utter and absolutely disgusting hypocrisy of the Right on gun rights makes me physically ill. They have gleefully lined up to give up the First, Fourth, Fifth, Sixth, Eighth, Ninth and Tenth Amendments and called everyone else traitors for daring to defend those precious liberties. They've destroyed habeas corpus. President Cheney and his sock puppet have overturned the Rule of Law and Separation of Powers to a degree unprecedented in our history. They have replaced large portions of the military with mercenaries who are not responsible to any law of any sort.

But as long as they can get the sheep to bleat on command they use the Second Amendment as a tool to scare them into the paddock at election time.

How much do the Republicans care about your right to own firearms? Consider one of Alberto Gonzales' last acts as Attorney General. He drafted a bill which would have given the DOJ the power to make lists of those who could and could not own guns. There was no appeal to its decisions. That's right, the Republicans wanted to be able to decide if you got to own a gun.

Of course this was only to keep them out of the hands of terrorists. Sure. That's right.

And why isn't this the Law of the land?

It's because the White House couldn't get enough Democrats to line up behind the bill. They realized it would be political suicide.

 

[Empty Hands]

Finally, the utter and absolutely disgusting hypocrisy of the Right on gun rights makes me physically ill. They have gleefully lined up to give up the First, Fourth, Fifth, Sixth, Eighth, Ninth and Tenth Amendments and called everyone else traitors for daring to defend those precious liberties.

This is true, especially as it pertains to the current Administration and select Congressmen. Everyone would do well to not let partisanship blind them to the very real erosion of our rights that has persisted for many years now under the aegis of both parties. It has been much worse lately under the Republicans, but recent (lack of) actions by the Democrats have shown that they will allow their political interests to trump a principled defense of our rights. Now, I think the current crop needs to go, but we should all be on guard for the actions of the next batch. The framework that the Bush admin. used to take their actions against our rights was put in place by the Clinton admin., after all.

 

[KenpoTex]

I fail to see how condemnation of Obama for his stance on this issue can be extrapolated to be an endorsment of the Republican party generally or McCain, Bush, or anyone else specifically.

Personally, I'm sick of all of them as it appears that none of them know how to read the Constitution.

 

[Kacey]

Attention all users:

Given the nature of the discussion in this thread, it has been moved from The Firing Range to US Elections & Candidates, as that was determined to be a more appropriate forum for the discussion.

Karen Cohn
MT Senior Moderator

 

[elder999]

Personally, I'm sick of all of them as it appears that none of them know how to read the Constitution.

Which is somewhat ironic, considering that Obama taught constitutional law at the University of Chicago Law School fromm 1992-2004.

 

[Big Don]

Which is somewhat ironic, considering that Obama taught constitutional law at the University of Chicago Law School fromm 1992-2004.

Gee, that is the same eight years he was in the Illinois State Senate. I guess having both jobs would explain all those "present" votes...

 

[sgtmac_46]

I fail to see how condemnation of Obama for his stance on this issue can be extrapolated to be an endorsment of the Republican party generally or McCain, Bush, or anyone else specifically.

Personally, I'm sick of all of them as it appears that none of them know how to read the Constitution.

It's called OBFUSCATE AND REDIRECT! Instead of DEFENDING Obama (not very easy on the FACTS) they simply redirect their attack like such.....

'OH YEAH.....well......McCAIN....and BUSH.......YEAH!'

 

[sgtmac_46]

Finally, the utter and absolutely disgusting hypocrisy of the Right on gun rights makes me physically ill. They have gleefully lined up to give up the First, Fourth, Fifth, Sixth, Eighth, Ninth and Tenth Amendments and called everyone else traitors for daring to defend those precious liberties. They've destroyed habeas corpus. President Cheney and his sock puppet have overturned the Rule of Law and Separation of Powers to a degree unprecedented in our history. They have replaced large portions of the military with mercenaries who are not responsible to any law of any sort.

But as long as they can get the sheep to bleat on command they use the Second Amendment as a tool to scare them into the paddock at election time.

How much do the Republicans care about your right to own firearms? Consider one of Alberto Gonzales' last acts as Attorney General. He drafted a bill which would have given the DOJ the power to make lists of those who could and could not own guns. There was no appeal to its decisions. That's right, the Republicans wanted to be able to decide if you got to own a gun.

Of course this was only to keep them out of the hands of terrorists. Sure. That's right.

And why isn't this the Law of the land?

It's because the White House couldn't get enough Democrats to line up behind the bill. They realized it would be political suicide.

To sum up the long convoluted post.....'It's hypocritical to allow the <Republicans> to take our rights.....and not let the DEMOCRATS line up to do the same.'

Your problem Tellner is that you've fallen LOCKSTEP in to the Obama playbook......don't discuss Obama......bring it back to Partisan bi-polar politics by making it a world where it's ONLY 'Democrats or Republicans'. Any criticism of OBAMA is met with 'Oh yeah, well Republicans, Bush, McCain, yadda, yadda, yadda, yadda!'.

Obama is a PARASITE! A neo-marxist, identity politics spewing PARASITE! No amount of trying to spin the discussion back to McCain, Bush or the Republican party is going to change that.......it might HIDE the fact from some very naive people, but it doesn't ALTER that fact! Messiah Obama is a FALSE IDOL!

 

[Bob Hubbard]

Speaking as someone who's been pretty much anti-gun his whole life, at one time I would have said "great.". Course, that was before I got more informed and involved.
I'm still not too thrilled with the idea of guns.

That said....

You can pass all the laws, regs, etc you want. All that does is keep the guns out of the hands of the honest people. Criminals don't care, and according to data I've seen, the majority of violent crimes involving firearms are committed by previous VC offenders, who are already legally denied possession of said firearms. The politicians seem surprised that criminals would break the law like that. Go fig.

Both Clinton and Obama are pretty clear in their desire to disarm law abiding citizens. That's something I can't support. The Constitution is pretty clear to me that American's have the right to own them. In the areas where that right has been trampled on (DC, Chicago, etc), crime is up, death is up, and you have to go "Duh" as the criminals know most people are disarmed. Where lawful gun ownership is high, crime is low. Again, to even me, it's a "Duh" thing.

Right now I live in NY. Royal PITA to get a permit here. Next year the plan is to relocate to TX. I plan on getting a permit and learning how to use the bloody thing.

As to the Republicans, well we know they support unlicensed drinking and hunting if you're a VP. Not sure how that trickles down to the rest of us...maybe a cola and some paintball?

 

[5-0 Kenpo]

It's called OBFUSCATE AND REDIRECT! Instead of DEFENDING Obama (not very easy on the FACTS) they simply redirect their attack like such.....

'OH YEAH.....well......McCAIN....and BUSH.......YEAH!'

Oh, and dont forget to mention how he also tried to make it a racist issue by saying the 'Scary Black Man'

 

[Makalakumu]

Oh, and dont forget to mention how he also tried to make it a racist issue by saying the 'Scary Black Man'

They have the same bosses. They have the same advisors. The whole game is a dog and pony show...

...or like Christianity...

...if you think too much, you lose...

What does it take to make a pour boy from Punahou a national leader?

The right WASPs...just look.

 

[chinto]

I would not vote for obama for love or money! not because he is black.. could not care less.. but because he is a lier, a con man and a socialist if not a closet communist. I don't do totalitarians well! I would take the word of most prisoners in the penitentiary's on any thing over obama's, they are more then likely more honest and forthright then that individual is!

 

[Makalakumu]

Words have the power to change nothing anymore. The system is rhetoric proof. Obama talks pretty compared to Bush, but I think that even if he were to be able to push everything he wanted to do through, it would change very little about the current direction our country is going...down the poop chute.

Tellner is right to point out the hypocrisy inherit in the false left right dichotomy. They both will chip away at the rights the constitution granted the proles.

It's happening and its bigger then democrat or republican.

The cure for 1984 is 1776!

 

[Tomu]

I have to agree with the idea that neither party if for individual rights anymore. Each party has its agenda to regulate liberty whether it be republicans with the patriot act or the dems with the 2nd amendment. Thats why I feel so apathetic to national elections. While I still vote I is always third party in hopes they will get matching funds someday. ANYBODY who votes republican or democrat in this election will only get more of the same. Its sad to say but I think the only way out of our current situation will be citizen revolt, whether that is armed or unarmed history will decide.:soapbox:

 

[Big Don]

Wouldn't appointing a few experts in 18th century English (linguistics, not literature) be better than adding a fresh attorney each time a new Supreme Court Justice is required?
If we want to know the founding fathers' intentions, an expert in the way they spoke and wrote seems far more appropriate to me than another lawyer. Although, the typically left leaning of most academics is troubling.

 

[BLACK LION]

"from my cold dead hands"