Why do Westerners train in exotic unrealistic weapons and ignore practical ones like baseball bats?

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    Never heard of Kanabojutsu, so I looked it up: According to Wikipedia, the Kanabo was used vs. armored Samurai and war horses (most likely in pitched massed warfare with limited maneuverability.) It further call this weapon "cumbersome...requiring great skill to recover from a miss with the heavy club, which could leave a wielder open to a counter-attack." It also states the obvious - great strength was needed to use it at all. So not an option for many martial artists. This entirely supports all my comments re: the use of a bat or other weighty weapons and supports my "whole claim."
     
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    And then go hang out at the Winchester.
     
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    That. But I also feel there is an expectation as it represents showing depth of training that may not be the best indication of that.
     
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    There is an urban combatives myth that says that sort of thing doesn't happen.

    That knife fights are not duels.
     
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    I have settled on a axe or tomahawk.

    And my reasoning was weight. So if I am going to carry a great big heavy weapon around I would also like it to be practical for things like making fire and shelter. Because I assume there is quite a bit of non zombie killing down time that goes on.
     
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    i am legend had fast smart zombies, as far as im aw3are that the only example of such, , 28 days did indeed have very fast zombies, even faster than i am legend, , which made a olot more sence in the original cut, which the test audience didn't like apparently

    George A. Romero zombies are very slow and fall over a lot. as are most of the copies,

    the zombies in the walking dead have varying speeds dependent on the plot and if the character is supposed to escape or not, they were however notably mutch faster in the first series, which has nothing it seems to do with degeneration as fresh zombies in the later series are also much slower, apart from when they are not
     
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    My absolute favorite phrase you've ever posted, db.
     
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    Zombies in Supernatural and I believe some of them from Buffy the Vampire Slayer are smart and fast. Part of it may depend on classification, though.
     
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    i think '' supernatural zombies'' need there own classification apart from plague zombies, as they are magic they can do anything and you need magic to defeat them, so you baseball bat isn't of much use, you need a wand
     
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    Maybe 2020 will be about us exploring and debating how each style would fare against various cryptozoological characters:

    BJJ vs Cupacabra in a real fight?

    Which Karate style vs the Loch Ness Monster?
     
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    I meant zombies from the show Supernatural.

    Many iterations of magic zombies follow the same rules as plague zombies.
     
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    I've actually thought about this when watching movies. How well would a spin hook kick work on a velociraptor, for example.
     
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    arnt zombies in a show called SUPERNATURAL supernatural ?
     
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    Different undead have different rules. Some of them need to be killed via ritual (i.e. salt and burn the bones to kill a ghost), some need to be killed with a specific weapon or method (i.e. cut off the head).
     
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    people cant just go around making up there own rules, it would just be chaos, zombies are killed by destroying the brain, thats it, if they require magic then they are supernatural zombies, and as there is no such thing as the supernatural cant exist,

    we have to keep some semblance of logic in this or next thing you have zombies on roller skates wearing crash helmets
     
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    It's fiction. The author creates the fictional world and the rules that apply. As long as the rules remain consistent in the fictional universe, it works.

    One of my favorite book series, Monster Hunter International, has a scene with zombie bears with thick metal helmets. So yeah, what you're saying is crazy has already happened.
     
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    Once you figure out that movies aren't real life, and that you should have at least some sort of basic understanding of a thing before making lots of assumptions,all of this wild confusion may begin to subside for you.

    Good luck.
     
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    science fiction good
    fantasy fiction bad
    zombie bears with crash helmets very very bad,
     
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    A baseball bat is actually quite exotic in many parts of the world.


    Have you read 'His Dark Materials' by Philip Pullman (the BBC has just made a cracking series of the first part with more to come, not the film though, it was tame and missed too much out) it has huge armoured fighting polar bears in it. Fearsome enough reading about them absolutely terrifying on screen.
     
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    Aikido would be fantastic against Frankenstein's monster - slow, arms out, stumbling with his weight forward, and quite tall.123
     
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