Rolled ankle injury ;)

Discussion in 'Health Tips for the Martial Artist' started by _Simon_, Sep 25, 2018.

  1. _Simon_

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    Ah cheers! Yeah it meant alot to me, I've chronicled in my other thread my journey through the tournaments and the lead up to this one. Big sordid story haha.. and probably no more tournaments this year anyways.
     
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    No I don't believe you were 'too airborne'. While it does look like the sequence was off when you pushed off your lead foot (foot not planted), I think the issue may have more to do with the 'way' you are retreating. When you go backwards it does two things:

    1) It encourages your opponent to build momentum and confidence.
    2) It causes more stress to you as you approach the end of the tatami.

    Perhaps in point fighting, this retreat strategy is accepted however I favour a more tai sabaki approach to retreating. In other words, I move to the side (generally away from the power leg) which will cause your opponent to turn towards you and adjust. It also allows you to remain in striking range instead of 'bouncing' in and out.

    There is nothing wrong with bouncing, by the way, but generally your feet should be parallel. When you have your lead foot pointing to your opponent and your back foot pointing to the side or behind you, the contact surface of each foot may strike the ground at different times and cause you to roll your ankle. My two cents.
     
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    Milkions of people " injure" themselves everyday playing sports or just walking about, only a very low % of those need a medical specialists, as the body is quite adapt at healing its self, of those a twisted ankle nust be a high % of the non requiring medIcal attention cases, you are dependent on the medical system you live with either wasting recourses or your own money.

    That you were stupid enough to tear a muscle a quarter of the way thiugh and just as stupid to ignore the obvious trauma doesn't mean that every one with a minor injury should or requires to seek medical attention.

    This is obviously a middle class,Good health insurance, first world affectation, the rest of the world doesnt run crying to a doctor over f next to nothing
     
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    Ah yeah I see what you mean. And yeah I'm also a big fan of tai sabaki and moving off to the side, angling etc, I do incorporate a bit of that but at times it feels faster to retreat and reevaluate. Especially when being charged, but I'd love to work on getting moving off to the side even faster. But yeah for sure there are downsides to constantly retreating, even for oneself mentally.

    Ah will keep that in mind too, cheers :)
     
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    Lol.. okeydokey!


    The body only heals itself if you let it. But some things do need attention, care and skill that you can't give it to heal.

    Sometimes it's totally, 100%, absolutely okay to ask for help. Doesn't make one weak, stupid, or a crybaby.
     
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    No the body generalky heals its self, its sort of a design function that got us frpthrough about 4 milkions years of twisted ankles, before then invented the ct scanner.

    Have you actually been to the doctors yet, you seem to be in agreement with the get ut checked out cry babies, whilst not having the motivation to actually get of your bum and go
     
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    What I am suggesting when you are in these types of matches and want to incorporate tai sabaki movement, you need to think of yourself like a matador. A matador that retreats backwards will be run over. A matador that dodges to the side remains close enough to plant the sword. To do this effectively, you need to control the middle by keeping your hands up (elbows in front of your body). When the charge comes, your hands/forearms can deflect the punch or kick as you move to their back side. Your opponents momentum will put them in the perfect position for you to strike. I have found this to work very well against aggressive opponents but my application is in Kyokushin sparring. Food for thought.
     
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    Adrenaline always helps. At one tournament, I roundhouse kicked a guy who blocked it; I full power kicked the point of his elbow with my instep. It hurt a little but not much. Fought two more matches after that without thinking about it. After I changed and watched some classmates compete, it started to throb. When got home, I couldn’t take my shoe off without taking the laces completely out. The adrenaline wore off.

    I went to urgent care the next day. The doctor looks at it and says “if that’s not broken, I don’t know what is.” It wasn’t broken, just severely bruised. I walked like Frankenstein for a good week or two. Andrenaline’s am interesting thing.
     
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    That hurts just to look at.
     
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    You entirely miss the point. Quite on purpose, I assume, based on your obvious trolling bits in there. Obvious troll is obvious.
     
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    It's okay. He's trolling. He occasionally does stuff like this to get an argument.
     
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    Cool, maybe I just haven't evolved properly! (Yeah and those folk probably got eaten by lions )

    Nup heading in next week probably. Was going to see what some proper rest this week does to it.
     
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    Cheers, great thoughts :)
     
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    Yeeeep
     
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    Ah yeah just an update here (as I'm sure you've ALL been literally hanging on the edge of your seats to know the state of my life/ankle!), went to the docs few weeks ago and I had an x-ray done, have an ultrasound booked for next week (3 weeks from when I had the docs appointment, ultrasounds are so hard to book here haha, such long waits). Haven't heard back anything about the x-ray so I think the ultrasound will be more informative.

    Ankle has gotten a bit better but it's still hurting and not right.
     
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    Good luck, man. Hope the ultrasound gives you and the docs some useful info.
     
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    Thanks mate :)
     
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    Yeah. It’s been a bit too long to simply be an ankle sprain IMO.

    Then again, it could be what’s commonly called a “high ankle sprain” aka syndesmosis sprain. Those take quite a while to heal vs the traditional ankle sprain, aka anterior talofibular ligament sprain.

    But watching the video, it’s not how a high ankle sprain usually occurs. High ankle sprain usually occurs with a foot somewhat planted and twisting around it. Stranger things have happened though. I’ve seen things and thought because the mechanism of injury, it would be a classic whatever injury, only to get proven completely wrong by imagining.

    I remember one of my former team orthopedists giving me a very hard time about mis-diagnosing an ankle fracture that ended up needing surgery. The doc looked at me and said “how could you possibly mistake that? How long have you been doing this job?” He was a real a-hole. So I said “well, his mechanism of injury was (insert long jargon here) and he walked off the field on his own and didn’t complain of pain for 2 hours. I can show you the video if you’d like. And I’ve been doing this job for 10 years now, thank you.” Doc looked at us, shrugged his shoulders, and said “no idea how you broke that by doing what he said. No idea how you walked off on your own. No idea how it didn’t bother you that much for 2 hours. But I guess stranger things have happened.”

    I really hated that doctor. But he’s honestly one of the best orthopedic surgeons there is. And he won’t hesitate to tell anyone who asks either :)
     
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    Wish you the best of luck with that. It's been about 2 months right?
     
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    Ah right, yeah you'll get them types ;).

    I did read that sprains can awhile to heal, and I figure because I have to walk on it all the time it's not exactly going to be a quick heal. But will see what the ultrasound says. It's definitely getting better, just really really slowly, just still hurts and still doesn't feel like I've got full range of motion yet.
     

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