New anti Sine Wave pattern deliveries on Youtube

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  1. gpseymour

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    I forgot to reply to this. This, apparently, wasn't an odd practice. I know of one instructor who was promoted 2nd-5th dan by letter, by an instructor he hadn't physically seen in years. 3rd-5th were (and still are in the system) considered more honorary ranks. Second was (and still is) seen as the last technical (skill-based) rank.

    From what I understand, when folks were distant from any possible instructor who could rank them up, if they were active and producing students for long enough, someone back in Japan would rank them up in recognition of the time and effort they continued to put into the art.

    I don't know how common it was (nor if it still happens, now that video is so easy to exchange), but there are examples enough that I doubt it was surprising.
     
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    Monthly fee seems to be an American thing. In Sweden you pay for 6 months of training all up front. In America that's apparently viewed as Mcdojo which I find odd.
     
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    I don't know which part of that is supposed to be fairy tales - I probably don't know enough to recognize it. The two years to shodan wouldn't be all that odd in Japan, from what I understand.
     
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    The issue is that many folks join and only last a month. Schools that force contracts here mostly seem to do it to get much more money from folks. I used to offer term payments (up to a full year) that were lower, but nobody ever took them. Most folks paid monthy, and some paid per-class (if they weren't going to make enough classes for the monthly fee to make sense).
     
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    Sir, rather than re type a page of text I refer you to the Encyclopedia Volume I First Edition page 94 "Significance of First Degree" If your edition is different go to Index of Volume I/ 1 Find the Page for "Rank" and then on about the third page after where that is listed you will find it.
     
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    Sir, so are you reframing your point to "Deemphasizing" from "Eliminating" ? Huge difference. Mainly because what many learned if roots went back to some pre -TKD Kwans was over exaggerated. Changing this habit was not a change in TK-D, only a change for what some did.
     
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    His definitions and principles were copy and pasted from Shotokan Karate, including "one punch, one kill" which he changed to "one punch, one victory". The first encyclopedia has him punching a makiwara, etc.
     
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    I am not reframing it. I stand by that Choi did not want hip twist for punches. However, even if you take the view that Master Yeo wanted hip twist, he certainly didn't want it as much as before, which you claim is SW proper.
     
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    Sir, Which is your claim? In the first sentence you seem to indicate he did not have a black belt, and in the second you claim he had one from a Korean Instructor? Of course none of this really matters to the discussion since you seem to feel your knowledge and ability better qualifies you to define First Degree than General Choi who created the criteria for his system.
     
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    The original principles in his first english encyclopedia doesn't have hip twist in the parameters either. Very alarming if Choi never wanted it in the first place even though everybody did it.

    Doing Karate punches without hip twist lacks momentum and are weak arm punches.
     
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    From what I've read it's all reworded Shotokan criterias and principles. Can you point to one that is uniquely his?
     
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    Sir, they were your words - not mine. You change the argument from "Eliminated" to Deemphasizing" which had have put you on the right path - for the wrong reason - but the right path. As I have stated before lots of people (including me) did lots of stuff due to their lineage and when they learned the Chang Hon standard felt it was a change, when in fact it was a correction.
     
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    Sir, Actually it does and I have quoted Volume and page but because you are fixated on the term "Twist" where he says "Turn" or "Jerk" the hip you feel you have made this distinction where there is no difference.
     
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    I wrote deemphasized because Master Yeo does not fail you by doing some of it, even If he wants zero.
     
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    Jerk is not in the punching principles. You are conflating "attack techniques" parameters with punching principles page.
     
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    Sir, first and foremost this response has nothing to do with what you quote at post 371. Next, I have no incentive to review each principle and criteria and compare it to Shotokan, and then codified systems that pre date that as well. It's no Secret Chang Hon Has roots in Shotokan Shorin, Shorei etc.
     
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    Sir, last I checked "Punching" was part of Attack techniques. How can you claim something specified for attacks would not be part of punching?
     
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    Then how do you know that he created them?

    I just gave an example of Choi rewording Shotokan principles from one punch, one "kill" to one strike, one "victory".
     
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    Because the punching principles are clearly SW/pattern strict parameters whereas attack techniques sections are not. They can refer to hitting mitts, breaking, sparring, etc
     
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    Agree.
    But I hope it would be true to say you are proud of the business you have created. Something to be proud of and a cornerstone of our great country. I hope this is how attaining black belt is thought of for most. As an accomplishment.

    Discussing "proud of" could take some time.

    If for nothing other than organizational purpose, I would assume in the course of some business conversations you refer to yourself as owner, or president or some kind of title. Or maybe you are "The Guy". :)123
     
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