Looking for Ninjitsu Training Partners in the NW Indiana Area

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  1. ronin7411

    ronin7411 Orange Belt

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    I don't really watch the WEC I only watch the UFC when Lyoto, Shogun, Wanderli, Anderson, GSP, and Brock fights other than that I prefer to watch MMA overseas in Asia (right now I'm hooked on MMA in China its brutal). The only time I even bother watching the WEC is when Miguel Torres fights because he stays in my area and some of his students train with me as well.
     
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    Just be proud and represent the style you have trained hard under.
     
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    Do you know anything about Ashida Kim? About the "Challenge" incident with Bullshido?
     
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    I know I'm going to regret this... and I'm wondering if maybe there's a full moon around that nobody knows about... but...
    So, you figure you can lie to promote yourself. Might I suggest some research into INTEGRITY? Why not simply state what you train in honestly? Yeah, sure, hooks help, even though the MMA world isn't WWE. But do you really want to succeed that way? (If you succeed...)

    How much real research into ninjutsu have you done? All of the legitimate, semi-legit, and even quite a few of the questionable schools avoid competition. It's not that they're afraid of being shown as inferior (OK, not always or not necessarily); it's that their training mindset and methodology isn't competition oriented. Personally, I think anyone who claims that they're style is "too deadly for competition" is full of it -- but that's not the same as saying that "our training is not about competition" or "training for competition hurts training for life/reality."

    What happened to your goal of teaching legitimate ninjutsu one day? do you think you stand a good chance of getting real training from someone credible after you essentially prostituted their art?
    There's quite a bit of controversy about the history of Tang Soo Do -- and the split that became Tang Soo Do and Tae Kwon Do. You can read all about it in lots of places... I don't think it's a business plan that I'd emulate... even granting the existence of such a plan in the first place.

    Yeah... :uhyeah: :rolleyes:

    A friend of mine says that "if you show me who you walk with, you tell me you are." Might I suggest that you research your potential traveling companions on the budo road... especially if they're going to be in charge of the trip?
     
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    Basing your style off of him is one thing if you've actually trained in that style for a long time, have mastered it to some degree and understand its underlying principles is one thing.

    You have done none of those things regarding ninjutsu. You haven't studied it under a real sensei in an authentic system (if it's not authentic, there is no use in calling it ninjutsu), you have not mastered it and you have no clue about its underlying principles. The only thing you have is what you've seen on a home study course, and the only reason you use the name is because it sounds cool. Winning or losing is irrelevant to the discussion. You might as well claim to learn Japanese when you are actually learning Russian. No amount of arguing will turn your Cyrillic into Kanji, even though it's all made up of squiggly lines.

    You might as well have used ikebana jutsu as a name for your style and it would be as appropriate.
     
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    ronin7411 Orange Belt

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    Yes, I heard it all he's using a Korean and Japanese name, he does fake rank certificates, and the $10,000 challenge is fake. But as I previously have stated in a previous post they were the only ones that was willing to work with me in regards to me training and earning rank in Ninjitsu through a distance course. Also as I stated before I can careless about what people think of me or the people I train with as long as I meet my goals in the martial arts I'm happy. Plus everything is free including my rank test in two separate styles so can't complain about getting free stuff.
     
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    Okay, Johnny. Listen up.

    I notice that you responded to everyone but myself, and I feel I had some rather vaild questions, but I'm not going to worry too much about that right now. Instead, I'm going to go through the last day or so, and try to straighten you out, although I hold little hope, to be honest.

    Ready? Cause this'll cover everything...

     
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    ASHIDA KIM DOES NOT KNOW ANY NINJUTSU.

    Is that so hard to understand? He is a joke in the MMA world - if word gets out that you're his student, you'll be laughed out of any major event.

    I may find your posts annoying but I would honestly caution you to stay away from Kim, Dux and such. Their followers are very cultish and you never know what they might do if you decide to leave. I remember hearing about some of Dux's people coming to Stephen Hayes' dojo to kill him because they felt his teaching ninjutsu was disrespectful to their 'great master'.

    Additionally, someone mentioned on Budoseek that your potential "Black Dragon" teacher is a pedophile; pedophiles don't exactly go down too well with MMA guys (or anyone else for that matter, but MMA guys are much more able to beat the crap out of someone)
     
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    Really good video. Thanks for sharing that find.
     
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    I did answer your question Chris I just did a general answer and its simple Ninjitsu is a controversial style to even consider taking up no matter who you learn it from and if I was going to go with the mindset of my friends who are into BJJ and MMA. (I'll keep at this I'm the nice one out of all of them) I wouldn't even be taking your advice either because people question Masaaki Hatsumi's lineage and Takamatsu's claims as well to Ninjitsu. http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=68729 So since people think the Bujinkan is fake and Hatsumi and Takamatsu are frauds as well why should even bother studying with the Bujinkan since their lineage has holes in it as well ? I'll answer it for you because I like the style and I don't care about lineage because people think the Bujinkan are frauds as well as all people who study Ninjitsu. You know what a majority of martial artists say Ninjitsu practitioners are LARPers even if I did study with the Bujinkan I would still hear the same things that you say Ashida Kim does as well.
     
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    There are numerous threads that discuss the issues here on MT. I suggest you peruse them; they're written by people who are far more knowledgeable than you are about the issues.

    And I strongly suggest that if what you're describing is your plan -- drop the ninjutsu line entirely. It's disrespectful, duplicitous, and just plain stupid. If you have integrity, you won't choose to use deceit to promote yourself.
     
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    Here is the West Virginia Sex Offender Search http://www.wvstatepolice.com/sexoff/ type in Ron Collins or Ronald Collins if you like his name doesn't show up as a sex offender which Samuel Browning found as well.
     
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    You can choose who you decide to train with. However, people will choose how the interact and communicate with you based on your choices. Right now we are all trying to just give you some advice that if you take a minute you probably will realize that the advice given is pretty sound! Unfortunately your course of action right now will cause most people to just laugh and really in the end not want to communicate with you at all. Not all choices are good ones!
     
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    No, I actually didn't see any answers to the issues I mentioned.... but I'll let that go for now.

    As to your latest little ideas here, as JKS said these have been dealt with many times over. A good starting point in reference to the questions may be here: http://martialtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=85961

    Read through that. Especially the link that Bruno provides.

    But the most important thing is that if you genuinely want to study Ninjutsu, the X-Kan are the only legitimate source you can find, aside from small parts of overall curriculums in some rare Koryu systems (such as Katori Shinto Ryu), and there the concept is rather different. And you may also note that only a couple of the systems related to Ninjutsu are questioned (namely Togakure Ryu, and often including Gyokushin and Kumogakure Ryu), systems related to Ninjutsu such as Gyokko Ryu and Koto Ryu are seen to be fine, and systems taught within the X-Kans such as Takagi Yoshin Ryu and Kukishinden Ryu are definately above reproach in terms of legitmacy.

    Now, you are asking that "if people think that the Bujinkan is fake.... why should you even bother training in the Bujinkan if their lineage has holes in it as well". You're really missing things here. The Bujinkan lineages has some questions, the lineage of Ashida Kim and those associated with him doesn't have any questions... it's known as being outright fraudulant with no basis in anything close to any Japanese system, let alone Ninjutsu, nor indeed anything close to reality in their training/system/teachings.

    So the choice, if you want Ninjutsu, is between an organisation recognised as the only legitmate source for Ninjutsu, with known and highly respected martial traditions included in the syllabus, a truly Japanese art, or a group of people who use an incorrect pronunciation and spelling of a Japanese word (showing how little they actually know about the art, culture, and so on), with no basis in anything even closely resembling any Japanese art, and a history not so much full of holes, but with very occasional patches of slightly plausible moments.... but really not many (incorrect times for history, incorrect geography, incorrect names and titles, incorrect terminology, incorrect weaponry and tactics, and so on).

    But really, drop the idea of Ninjutsu. You have no idea whatsoever, and neither do the people you're "learning" from. You want MMA, go train MMA. But I really don't think you'll get anywhere, as you don't have the discipline, patience, or anything else required if your posting here and on Budoseek is any indication (notice you've gotten yourself suspended there... can't say I'm surprised!).
     
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    Ronin,

    You seem like a nice enough guy. I respect your desire for martial arts training, though misguided as it seems to be. However, I suggest you drop the idea of "Ninjutsu" and "Ninjitsu" all together. Ninjutsu doesn't sound like it is what you want. I think a nice legit MMA gym would do you wonders.

    And ninjitsu, Ashida Kim's "style", I would avoid. I'm quite familiar with it, have some of his books, and even one of his certificates of black belt. No good will come of that for you.

    Stop searching the internet, forget anything you've learned about martial arts, find a nice instructor, and train. And the harder it is, the less "movie cool" it seems, probably the better.

    And should all else fail, just play Mortal Kombat until you can beat all of the other kids online and declare yourself a master.
     
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    Eh, I got what I wanted from Budo Seek I saw an ad on there looking for people to train with in the martial arts and I sent the guy a message to talk to him about training with him but I was a year late with the message. Its cool though I came to find out that he is training with the guys that host Elite Cage Fighting in Indianapolis and since I was the only one that really responded to the ad on Budo Seek. He told me to give him a day notice and he'll have me do some training with his MMA team to help me out with my martial arts training. Also he truly respects me for wanting to train with anybody that I can find despite what martial arts background they have and he constantly tells me never give up as long as I train hard and push myself I will get somewhere.
     
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    Let me make something clear.

    Nobody is suggesting that doing some training with people from various styles is bad. In fact, I dare say many of us have done this more than once... Some of us probably do it regularly. It can be a lot of fun, as well as quite educational, to experience different styles and the tactics and strategies they use.

    I can't address the club you posted links to; as I said several pages back, it looks like they train hard. I have questions about the credentials they have in some of the things they teach -- but they seem to be honest about what they're doing.

    But if you're going to accept so-called training from well documented frauds like Ashida Kim and claim that you're doing a style that you have no real experience in... You're on a screwy track. Again, I point you to my friend's saying: Show me who you walk with, and I'll tell you who you are. Do you want to be someone people don't want to admit training with or knowing? Or someone that they take great pride in saying they train with and know?
     
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    Dear ronin,
    It seems like you consider arguing training more than anything else.They keep telling you the facts but you don't want to hear them.You might try posting the whole train with me thing in the general forum. In truth I've seen your same posts over on another site.
    Try something new maybe you'll have a new result!
    Peace..
     
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    Actually I found me a training partner specifically for my Ninjitsu training but I still cross-train in TKD, BJJ, Kickboxing, and MMA whenever I'm open.
     
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    That's good. Keep calling it Ninjitsu, because from what I've seen. You aren't practicing in Ninjutsu.123
     
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