It doesn't work... Blog Post

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  1. gpseymour

    gpseymour MT Moderator Staff Member

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    So just give up?
     
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    Agreed, which is sadly why a lot of women don't stick with Bjj very long. Not only do they have to deal with big hairy sweaty men on top of them, but it forces them to fight harder than their male counterparts.

    And yeah, MMA definitely shows that the skills transfer over. I just saw a vid of Garry Tonon doing a leg lock entry and submission in a MMA fight exactly like he did in BJJ training and videos. It was textbook level.
     
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    NO im really not,

    one of the ways he could substantiate it is to provide quantification, there may be others, I can't think of any, but its his job to provide substance to his claims, not mine to second guess him
     
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    thats the second time youve asked me that.

    its up to the people who participate if they should give up.

    If the rational to continue is they think they can resist attacks then they need to ask them selves some hard questions about the feasibility of what they learn ever actually working

    its the same fundemental issue with males, but even more polarised with small femails..

    can the skills you learn over come a significant physical disadvantage, if your not at a physical disadvantage then you probably wont need the skills anyway. the fact you are better equipped to resist attack, which the claim being made, doesn't matter tuppence if you don't ''WIN''

    byway of an illustrative anecdote, there a young lady at my group, who has the physical proportions of a large sized doll.

    it doesn't matter what she trains, for how long, she will never ever fight off an average sized male, Ok she is an outlier, but there's an awful lot of people between her and an ability to defend themselves adequately .

    the same of course goes for a lot of males studying ma, if they believe there skill levels will over come a significant physical disadvantage they are either exceptionally talented or delusional
     
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    A thought. "What if" the woman you mentioned, who had a perceived pressing need for actual/practical SD instruction got into the BJJ class and absolutely hated it? I could easily understand that, since the contact involved might get into her head, all that rolling around and grabbing and mashing and etc. So, she quits after a week and it did her no good.

    Being an aikidoer (I love that made up word), I recognize that trying to turn it into something which you can really rely upon in SD situations is a long road. And it hurts (investing in loss, love that term too). So, if she was after becoming competent enough to at least defend against the larger & stronger opponent "in as short a span of time as possible," then BJJ seems to me to be a better fit than aikido.

    Fastest yet might be to get training in CQB shooting, do someof those competitions, and have both your CCL (CHL?) and your 9mm ready to hand. "Quickest" solution to the problem she presented to the board, perhaps. Not my own solution, since guns scare the bejeezus out of me, but maybe hers?
     
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    and you expanded that to claim a smal woman could be demolishing big guys in an unspecified amount of time

    but your having trouble separating your opinion from facts. its your opinion that SHE would be better doing BJJ, its my opinion that in the vast majority of cases they are both equally useless.

    Youve introduced some outlier of female black belts, who can possibly make a reasonable attempt at defending themselves. but they are a minority and therefore not a reasonable indicator of its general application
     
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    Yeah, I never said that.

    I also never said that practicing Aikido would be "useless" for a woman seeking self defense.

    Doesn't that completely contradict your entire argument that training BJJ would be "useless" for female self defense?
     
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    No argument there. However, the woman was specifically trying to decide between. a Bjj or an Aikido school.
     
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    There are many ways to substantiate claims that don't provide exact (or even numeric) quantification. You've been demanding quantification for a while, so if that's not what you think is necessary, why demand it?
     
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    Yeah, no. You're claiming to make a point, and your point appears to be that nothing will help. Hence my translation of your posts.

    The fact is that it's possible to increase someone's chances in a number of ways. Most of those ways increase the chances incrementally. Whether that's worth the effort or not is up to the person, but you just keep dismissing the idea that incremental improvement is a benefit.
     
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    She'd be able to fight off an average sized male if she trained in Bjj. :p
     
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    Why is it only ever people that practice 'display styles' that make posts like this?

    Food for thought.
     
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    I have to ask, what is a "Display Style"?
     
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    ok
    well no, exercise has benefits, so to say there no benefits would be incorrect, the question then is BJJ or what ever, more beneficial than netball or dancing

    in the context of the discussion at hand, small female / sexual assault, its only beneficial if those increments add up to a point where the attack can be repulsed. if that isn't achieved then NO, no benefit
     
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    if your talking about me ? i don't do a display style
     
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    Ehh.

    A style that focuses more on perfecting their dance routine and are judged on aesthetics rather than functional skill.
     
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    Posts like what?
     
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    I thought he was talking about the OP.
     
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    Like the OP.
     
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    JKD is a display style, Police/Military Sanda (sanshou) is a display style. I did those too. Been in multiple styles and been MA likely longer than you've been on the planet sonny. You might want to try and actually READ the blog post without the attitude and you might learn something.

    You know, I'm done.....had enough of all of this....
    Congratulations you win

    And you are now an addition to my ignore list too.123
     
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