StormShadow
Blue Belt
I have to wonder if this will spread to others in the public wishing to learn the art but being told not to when seeking information.
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WingChun IS BS!
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Flying Crane
Sr. Grandmaster
sorry I can't view the video from my office, youtube is blocked. But if this is someone ranting about how bad wing chun is, then my answer to your ponderings is: no.
The internet is full of people spouting off their (often uneducated) opinions. These people are generally ignored by most people in the world. I think the general public is pretty good at recognizing someone who has an axe to grind, and taking their rantings with a big dose of salt. Or just rejecting them altogether.
The internet is full of people spouting off their (often uneducated) opinions. These people are generally ignored by most people in the world. I think the general public is pretty good at recognizing someone who has an axe to grind, and taking their rantings with a big dose of salt. Or just rejecting them altogether.
ballen0351
Sr. Grandmaster
I'm not sure what the point of that was. Who is this guy and why do you care what he thinks about anything. He can't complete a full sentence with out the F bomb. I watched the whole thing thinking he would get to the point.
Spoiler alert: he had no point
Spoiler alert: he had no point
Takai
Senior Master
I agree completely.
1) If you want to make a valid argument (especially on youtube) the ability to form a coherent sentence is a must. Sorry buddy, a string of four letter words doesn't qualify.
2) Not seeing a lot of credentials here. So in other words...you know not of what you speak.
3) All martial arts are BS. Except for Ameri-do-te. Hasn't anyone been listening to Master Ken?
It certainly was an uneducated comment. To compare any amateur martial artist of any style with the likes of Ali or Tyson is always going to go the way of the World Champion. It does not mean any particular MA is crap. I think the guy has never seen good martial art and he has obviously never trained it or he would not have demonstrated his ignorance to such perfection. :asian:
Kwan Sau
Purple Belt
Anyone in the public who would even listen to a clown like this guy doesnt deserve to learn Wing Chun...
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Fitness ain't the end all be all, that said, I've seen fit people with little (< 6mo) boxing training demolish a large percentage of 1-3 year WC guys.
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StormShadow
Blue Belt
IMHO, and some may take offense to this, but this is my take on it, many wing chun practitioners are too concerned with chi-sao. We all know it's supposed to develop contact reflexes and build sensitivity but it in itself does not teach you to fight in combat situations. The only training that will is if you spar/fight others. You have to be able to use the principles of wing chun and APPLY them to adapting situations. Wing chun is not a magic formula. You have to work hard to be good and apply this art in a true manner. Someone being excellent in chi-sao does not equate to their fighting ability. Fights don't usually start from point of contact.
That being said, we have two factions: those who want to fight and be fighters and those who study wing chun for self defense. For those studying for self defense, you will have people of all walks of life studying it, short and tall, big and small. It's very possible they would not be in fighting shape. Though, with further practice in wing chun those people can become fit.
Then we have those who are fighters and want to add wing chun to their arsenal i.e. mma fighters. You have to spend a great deal of time and practice to apply these principles in almost an effortless manner where everything just simply flows in the natural. It's not likely studying it for a couple years will get you to that point and those people will label the art. This is just my observations, right or wrong.
J W
Green Belt
I don't doubt it, WC skill certainly seems to take longer to develop than boxing skill. I did about 6 months of boxing several years ago, and compared to my current 2 years of WC, I feel like I progressed much faster with boxing. Not that I was a good boxer after only 6 months, but a better boxer after 6 months than I was a WC guy after 6 months.
This could be part of the reason for the WC is BS attitude that so many people on You Tube seem to have (like this nut). They see video of an inexperienced WC guy getting pummeled by a similarly inexperienced boxer/muay thai fighter/whatever and conclude that WC must suck. Nevermind that the WC guy they are watching isn't any good at WC.
This is the general TCMA problem. When a boxer develops and tests his skill in the ring, or a wrestler develops and tests his skill on the mat, a TCMA guy would use that time to train his forms and punch into the thin air. A TCMA guy may say, "TCMA is more than just combat, it also includes health, performance, self-cultivation, inner peace, ...". If you don't treat combat as your highest priority, you just won't get the result that you are looking for.
Kwan Sau
Purple Belt
Hahaha! True! But this ****-clown seems to repeat several times how holding a side kick position is the sign of awesome-ness! bwahahaha I think this kid needs to hydrate
Kwan Sau
Purple Belt
A very valid point. It is simply amazing how many WC families and kwoons out there place such a high regard to chi sau. They think this is the ultimate pinnacle of WC skills. What a joke. It's simply another stepping stone...that's it. Notice how the "grandmasters and masters" out there in WC-land do a lot of grabbing of their partners wrists and forearms!?!?!? WTF!?!?!?!? No wonder why people in and out of WC think it's a joke.
Kwan Sau
Purple Belt
Totally agree. I know there are as many reasons to study a MA as there are people who are training, and we can't all fit into some nice little cookie cutter form. But if we don't put being able to handle ourselves as priority one, then everything else is self delusional.
I had some teenage kid come to my class some time ago. If this were the 60's he would have been a flower child. I had him working on something like defending a straight punch with a pak dar.
A few minutes later I went over and he was doing all these elaborate blocking maneuvers, bobbing and weaving, everything but what I had him working on.
I asked him what he was doing, and he told me that he was a pacifist, and that he wanted to be able to defend himself without hurting someone.
I told him he wasn't a pacifist, he simply didn't know how to fight. A true pacifist is someone who knows how to fight, but chooses not to.
And I see this make believe, "let's play karate" crap permeating all through the MA.
Everything from "spiritual enlightenment" to "pacifism" to "self development, etc.
Those things are all well and good, there's nothing wrong with any of that. But most of the people espousing these views haven't spent the hours, the years, the buckets of sweat to legitimately get to that point.
They put on a gi and tie a belt around their waist and suddenly they're a Buddhist.
Someone asked me, "What's the best style for health and spiritual development?" I told him that all MA styles are good for health and spiritual development.
After you have developed your "combat" ability, you will get "health" by default. You will also have better chance to survive if physical conflict ever happen in your life time. You will have chance to live longer (if that's what "health" means).
Also after you have developed your "combat" ability, you will have self-confidence, calmness, and inner peace. It will be much easier for you to back up from a fight without feeling ashame. You will then have better chance to go to heaven after death (if that's what "spiritual development" means).
After you have developed your "combat" ability, you will get "health" by default. You will also have better chance to survive if physical conflict ever happen in your life time. You will have chance to live longer (if that's what "health" means).
Also after you have developed your "combat" ability, you will have self-confidence, calmness, and inner peace. It will be much easier for you to back up from a fight without feeling ashame. You will then have better chance to go to heaven after death (if that's what "spiritual development" means).
