Bullshidog
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I notice there is a stigma in among traditional martial artists that weightlifting is useless and that its the easiest method of strength training. This is particularly true from styles that focus focusing on cardio, technique, all-round body strength and/or flexibility such as Tae Kwon Do and Silat, Not only do many traditional styles belief believe pushups and other non-weight lifting exercises are much tougher than lifting weights but lifting weights is so DAMN easy! In their logic "sit down and simply lift the repetitions as much as you want. GET TIRED? Just wait a few minutes than continue again!"
As someone who recently started weightlifting, I'm telling you its ******* HARD WORK. My arms are still sore simply from lifting. Not as breath gasping as say 10 pullups but its ******* tiring enough to be sore and thirsty after a session.
Even popular media depicts weightlifting as being incredibly easy and a popular trope is the skinny nerdy boy who gets bullied daily going into a a gym and in a few weeks or even days later they are muscular enough to KO their bullies in one hit!
I can tell you some of the muscular guys I met at the gym told me it too them MONTHS if not YEARS to get their body so it isn't simple as going to the gym every day either. They told me if you want to build muscles eventually you would have to push yourself.
I can't tell you how many TMA masters I met who state to weightlifting is nowhere as difficult as some of the warmups done before practising techniques such as the stretching and crawling exercises. While I definitely agree stuff they do like break bricks are probably much tougher than weightlifting, some of the stuff they do like stretches are easier than weightlifting (assuming you are conditioned in both exercises).
The reason I post this thread is because in MMA weightlifting is now such an accepted part of training that even in Asia you won't find people who will train without incorporating dumbells and other weightlifting tolls in their exercises. Even Asian fighters who started with styles that are often grouped under "TMA" such as Yoshiro Akiyama (a dedicated Judo artist IIRC) will use multi-station machines and weight benches and other lifting machines generally looked down upon if not outright forbidden by old masters of TMAs. Indeed the use of weightlifting equipment is one of the things that traditional masters have against MMA and I seen more than enough complains about how MMA fighters are neglecting the old proper way to build real strength such as stretching,crawling and other warmup exercises,etc.
I am curious about all this. I have read some TMAs like Kyokushin and some of the older masters such as Mas Oyama advocated weightlifting style training. Although they didn't use modern weightlifting equipment like Barbells a lot of their exercises are not only similar in principle to using dumbells but almost look exactly the same (in some cases even moved the same way) such as carrying two buckets of water to another town or chopping trees with an axe and other manual labors.
I'm getting more into boxing territory but the same thing is argued in the boxing world whether modern boxers are inferior due to weightlifting while old school did actual manual labor for training like carrying wood while walking at a mill. These 2 posts (which emphasize many of the old ATGs of boxing's manual labor USED the same principle as weightlifting and aside from not using modern equipment technically qualifies as WEIGHTLIFTING).
Sherdog Mixed Martial Arts Forums - View Single Post - Is Weight training really needed in boxing
Sherdog Mixed Martial Arts Forums - View Single Post - Is Weight training really needed in boxing
(The first link is a response to the second link which quotes a previous posts that argue that old boxers not only did exercises that basically shares the same principles as modern weightlifting techniques and equipment but that the old school boxers SHARED the same physical build and brute strength of weightlifters and bodybuilders of their time. Be sure to READ both posts including the quoted message in the second one as it clarifies what I am saying).
I am curious why all this? Especially when many TMAs and old masters emphasize manual labor and exercises that would of build similar physical bodies and strength of modern weightlifters?
As someone who recently started weightlifting, I'm telling you its ******* HARD WORK. My arms are still sore simply from lifting. Not as breath gasping as say 10 pullups but its ******* tiring enough to be sore and thirsty after a session.
Even popular media depicts weightlifting as being incredibly easy and a popular trope is the skinny nerdy boy who gets bullied daily going into a a gym and in a few weeks or even days later they are muscular enough to KO their bullies in one hit!
I can tell you some of the muscular guys I met at the gym told me it too them MONTHS if not YEARS to get their body so it isn't simple as going to the gym every day either. They told me if you want to build muscles eventually you would have to push yourself.
I can't tell you how many TMA masters I met who state to weightlifting is nowhere as difficult as some of the warmups done before practising techniques such as the stretching and crawling exercises. While I definitely agree stuff they do like break bricks are probably much tougher than weightlifting, some of the stuff they do like stretches are easier than weightlifting (assuming you are conditioned in both exercises).
The reason I post this thread is because in MMA weightlifting is now such an accepted part of training that even in Asia you won't find people who will train without incorporating dumbells and other weightlifting tolls in their exercises. Even Asian fighters who started with styles that are often grouped under "TMA" such as Yoshiro Akiyama (a dedicated Judo artist IIRC) will use multi-station machines and weight benches and other lifting machines generally looked down upon if not outright forbidden by old masters of TMAs. Indeed the use of weightlifting equipment is one of the things that traditional masters have against MMA and I seen more than enough complains about how MMA fighters are neglecting the old proper way to build real strength such as stretching,crawling and other warmup exercises,etc.
I am curious about all this. I have read some TMAs like Kyokushin and some of the older masters such as Mas Oyama advocated weightlifting style training. Although they didn't use modern weightlifting equipment like Barbells a lot of their exercises are not only similar in principle to using dumbells but almost look exactly the same (in some cases even moved the same way) such as carrying two buckets of water to another town or chopping trees with an axe and other manual labors.
I'm getting more into boxing territory but the same thing is argued in the boxing world whether modern boxers are inferior due to weightlifting while old school did actual manual labor for training like carrying wood while walking at a mill. These 2 posts (which emphasize many of the old ATGs of boxing's manual labor USED the same principle as weightlifting and aside from not using modern equipment technically qualifies as WEIGHTLIFTING).
Sherdog Mixed Martial Arts Forums - View Single Post - Is Weight training really needed in boxing
Sherdog Mixed Martial Arts Forums - View Single Post - Is Weight training really needed in boxing
(The first link is a response to the second link which quotes a previous posts that argue that old boxers not only did exercises that basically shares the same principles as modern weightlifting techniques and equipment but that the old school boxers SHARED the same physical build and brute strength of weightlifters and bodybuilders of their time. Be sure to READ both posts including the quoted message in the second one as it clarifies what I am saying).
I am curious why all this? Especially when many TMAs and old masters emphasize manual labor and exercises that would of build similar physical bodies and strength of modern weightlifters?
