lol. I don't know what's worse about that statement. the fact that you say you fight yourself or the fact that your wife thinks there 2 of you lol.
Boxer has no chance, none, zip, nada.
Has anyone here actually sparred with boxers using martial techniques? Or just boxed?
I have. I did 2 years of boxing club in college. It was run by a former pro who was a low level pro with around a .500 record. Most students were there for the workout aspect, but there were a few who were competitive. I always worked with those guys.
No one punches like boxers. Big and strong guys who should be able to hit like sledgehammers don't hit half as hard as trained boxers weighing a fraction of them.
During my time there, I first learned how to punch without much movement (I was pretty close from my karate background, and it only took some polishing), then we learned how to move, then learned how to put them together. My footwork wasn't very good.
Boxing is all about footwork; how to move, when to move, where to move, and how to get there. I know it sounds generic, but it's different.
I've found most karateka will look for angles, almost waiting for them, whereas boxers will create them. Most boxers will exploit the angles better.
In general, boxers will protect themselves better and present a harder target through posture and movement. Karateka and most others who incorporate kicks will stand more upright and erect to be able to kick better.
IMO boxing did a better job of teaching how to move and where not to move to.
There's are GENERALIZATIONS.
I didn't compete, but I regularly sparred with the guys competing. They were a handful. Two of the guys wanted me to kick at them every now and then to mix things up and get a more self defense perspective. They adjusted quite easily.
Perhaps my experience with it was an anomaly. I don't think boxing is inherently better, but no martial art I've taken (wrestling included) is inherently better or worse.
If I had unlimited money and time, I'd spend a good amount of it training with Kevin Rooney and/or Teddy Atlas. Remember Mike Tyson's movement and creating angles before he decided to stand up straight and be a punching bag?
From my experience with wrestling, karate and boxing, the last person I want to face in the streets is a trained boxer. They've got minimal techniques, and they drill them over and over in multiple scenarios.
Just my opinions. Let the flood gates open...
I pretty much agree with your assessment of boxing. And I'm not really judging "better or worse", I was focused more on the OP's scenario. Let me ask you this - how would you do using wrestling against a boxer? Or at least against the boxers you trained with?
Boxers' hand speed and accuracy are brutal.
Not knowing the rules of the sparring match, how many times do you think you would need to throw them? Picture a pure boxer with no ground skills. If it's a match that gets called once there is a clear winner, do you think you would need to take them down a 4th time, or even a second? If so, why?I think I'd be able to throw them 2-3 times before they adjusted. Boxers' hand speed and accuracy are brutal.
Good boxers are but indifferent boxers are just that ... indifferent. I find the style v style discussions sterile to be honest, far too generalised, far too airy fairy, it doesn't make for good discussions. Just speculation and what ifs, whereas it all depends on so much, the size of the fighters, the weight, the experience, the surface, the rules, the glove/no gloves, etc etc in fact far too much to ever make a proper discussion.
Not knowing the rules of the sparring match, how many times do you think you would need to throw them? Picture a pure boxer with no ground skills. If it's a match that gets called once there is a clear winner, do you think you would need to take them down a 4th time, or even a second? If so, why?
Indifferent is indifferent, regardless of style. In a street fight against a boxer, grappler, or MA striker, all of which are at an equal level of skill and experience as I am, and I choose boxer last.
Yes, far too many variables, but that's my gamble.
What gamble? You aren't going to be fighting them in reality and 'street fight' is about as passe as it gets, it's not even day dreaming it's mind waffle.
Who's to say a boxer wouldn't start a fight with me? A grappler? A MA striker? I'm not that intimidating. People get irate over stupid things. Who's to say I would be able to talk myself out of it every time or get away before it turned physical?
Who's to say I haven't had to defend myself against someone else on a street? Unfortunately, I've been in too many fights on the street (literally and figuratively). All I can say is I only escalated one of them to the point of a physical fight (and yes, it was in the middle of the street). The rest were defending someone else or myself against people who couldn't be reasoned with at that time.
The one I escalated was one too many. Not proud of it by any means. Luckily it didn't end in a situation more than him having a few bruises and hurt pride.
I've gotten out of exponentially more fights than I've gotten in to, so all isn't lost. Haven't had to fight for 15 years or so.