Who created the Pinan katas?

[Same Trick93 44]

That’s interesting. I think it shows that flashy kata impress judges more than well-performed kata. That’s a shame, but not an unexpected observation.

I don’t think(I’m sure) it’s about flashy when it comes to traditional karate kata, sometimes the Naihanchi/tekki is labeled like the Sanchin kata as training and fundamental kata, of course all the other kata are also training kata, but if performed well it’ll show one got the foundation right and able to apply it to a higher level.
If one is a Naihanchi/Tekki freak as I am one may choose Gojushiho(-sho), Nijushiho to display good layed naihanchi/tekki foundation displayed at a little higher level

 

[Same Trick93 44]

man, I wanna learn the other naihanchis. We only do shodan in wado.

I was into Shotokan(still is by heart), as you know those kata called tekki in Shotokan, tekki nidan is an absolute interesting continuation of the stuff shodan contain, sandan a little out of place feeling

 

[Same Trick93 44]

I had to lookup Naifunchi as I had never heard of it. It appears for be formally identical to the Naihanchi's. What style do they derive from?

Just different pronunciations, its even not know what the name/word really mean

 

[Gyakuto148 157]

I don’t think(I’m sure) it’s about flashy when it comes to traditional karate kata, sometimes the Naihanchi/tekki is labeled like the Sanchin kata as training and fundamental kata, of course all the other kata are also training kata, but if performed well it’ll show one got the foundation right and able to apply it to a higher level.
If one is a Naihanchi/Tekki freak as I am one may choose Gojushiho(-sho), Nijushiho to display good layed naihanchi/tekki foundation displayed at a little higher level

What we need is AI to objectively judge kata so there’s no bias toward flashy techniques.

 

[_Simon_148 179]

I had to lookup Naifunchi as I had never heard of it. It appears for be formally identical to the Naihanchi's. What style do they derive from?

No difference at all really, same kata, but Naifunchi is how we say it and is apparently closer to the Okinawan pronunciation of the kata, Naihanchi being Japanese pronunciation.

 

[Same Trick93 44]

What we need is AI to objectively judge kata so there’s no bias toward flashy techniques.

And those robots to perform the kata

 

[Gyakuto148 157]

 

[Prince_Alarming86 22]

Doing the pinans tonight, gonna see to what extent my relapse into addiction has effected my fitness, so it's pinans and burpees

 

[Tez3]

I find the Pinan kata a bit redundant if a system also has Kushanku in its repertoire (or vice versa).

The point of having the Pinan katas AND Kushanku is so that when you're judging a kata comp you can watch an inexperienced student who wants to impress the judges with Kushanku going off into one of the Pinan katas in the middle of it. Then watching their face when they realise Kushanku bit them.
Easily done though to be fair, but I always prefer a 'simpler ' kata really well to a more advanced one just going through the motions. Bonus points of you know the Bunkai for the katas.

 

[Prince_Alarming86 22]

I think, overall, that it's a piece of good luck that you can cook your own bunkai. After all, the kata are works of Art and as such are capable of multiple interpretations. Just a thought.

 

[Stuarto102 3]

I find the pinans more challenging than the cat forms in NCK. Where the pinans are so rigid, the cats are so much more flowing, and I find them easier and more natural. Also, I have been focusing a lot on the cat forms because they are my latest, but I still make sure to practice the pinans. Transitioning between them can definitely throw me off!

 

[Same Trick93 44]

I find the pinans more challenging than the cat forms in NCK. Where the pinans are so rigid, the cats are so much more flowing, and I find them easier and more natural. Also, I have been focusing a lot on the cat forms because they are my latest, but I still make sure to practice the pinans. Transitioning between them can definitely throw me off!

What is “NCK” and “cat” forms ?

 

[Stuarto102 3]

What is “NCK” and “cat” forms ?

NCK is Nick Cerio's Kenpo. The Cats are forms based off (to the best of my knowledge) Heian Sandan and Yondan which are Shotokan forms.

 

[Same Trick93 44]

NCK is Nick Cerio's Kenpo. The Cats are forms based off (to the best of my knowledge) Heian Sandan and Yondan which are Shotokan forms.

Why are they called ”cat forms” ?

 

[Gyakuto148 157]

Why are they called ”cat forms” ?

Cat -> cats -> cata-> kata?

 

[Same Trick93 44]

Cat -> cats -> cata-> kata?

Ah, the logic. All too often I drift into completely wrong thought patterns, thinking about pets or something

 

[isshinryuronin38 38]

Why are they called ”cat forms” ?

When I first learned the pinans (1960's), cat stance (neko ashi dachi) was often used but later changed to back stance (kokutsu dachi). Since the cat forms share much with the pinans, is it possible this is where the name came from? Maybe?

 

[Same Trick93 44]

When I first learned the pinans (1960's), cat stance (neko ashi dachi) was often used but later changed to back stance (kokutsu dachi). Since the cat forms share much with the pinans, is it possible this is where the name came from? Maybe?

Yes sounds a resonable explanation, but then why just Heian 3and 4 as was mentioned as named “cat forms”