Who are the tea party patriots, Hugh Hewitt speaks to them

[billc]

A transcript of Hugh Hewitts interview with Tea party patriots. The tea party movement is continually smeared by the democrats and other left wing groups. This may help to dispell the myths surrounding the tea party movement.

http://www.hughhewitt.com/blog/

Not really an interview at this point on the website but it leads to more info.

 

[elder999]

A transcript of Hugh Hewitts interview with Tea party patriots. The tea party movement is continually smeared by the democrats and other left wing groups. This may help to dispell the myths surrounding the tea party movement..

A look here will demonstrate that some of the "myths" aren't myths at all. While it's difficult to argue against many of the things the so-called tea parties claim to represent, they have, like any party, attracted more than their fair share of right wing extremists, as demonstrated by the above search for "stormfront, support for tea party":

32,800 results for
stormfront, support for tea party…:

The Stormfront, for those who don't know, is a website and forum for right wing white supremacists, that advertises under the slogan White Pride, Worldwide-I won't sully this place with links to it, but it's all there to see (as an aside, those of you who say that racism is on the wane, please note the number of members who are self-proclaimed racists).While the "Tea Party" may have started out as a Libertarian party spinoff, it was quickly embraced by those on the right who also espouse white supremacist views, and sometimes embrace the philosophies of the right wing Nazi party.

So Hugh Hewitt speaks to them, as well, whether he wants to or not.

 

[billc]

Hugh hewitt doesn't speak to racists at all, ever in any way that is approving or helpful. The tea party has been smeared over and over because it opposes big government spending and the left can't have that. Cries of Racism are the lazy lefts easiest way to attack their opponents, especially when the charges are false and nowhere near the truth.

 

[billc]

http://www.nationalcenter.org/P21PR-Tea_Party_Racism_072910.html

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Berry replied:[/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Tainting the tea party movement with the charge of racism is proving to be an effective strategy for Democrats. There is no evidence that tea party adherents are any more racist than other Republicans, and indeed many other Americans. But getting them to spend their time purging their ranks and having candidates distance themselves should help Democrats win in November. Having one's opponent rebut charges of racism is far better than discussing joblessness.[/SIZE][/FONT]
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[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]"This is exactly the kind of thing that has irked me all of my adult life, to put it mildly," said Project 21 member R. Dozier Gray. "This willful and purposeful use of the race card for nothing more than political gain is toxic to race relations, and Mary Frances Berry must know that. But she evidently does not care. Based on her comment, political posturing takes primacy over whatever real issues regarding race that she might pretend are her calling cards. I have seen this all before. I find it shameful."[/SIZE][/FONT]

This article dicusses the strategy declared by democrats to smear the tea party as racists because it will force them to go off message defending themselves.

 

[elder999]

Hugh hewitt doesn't speak to racists at all, ever in any way that is approving or helpful. The tea party has been smeared over and over because it opposes big government spending and the left can't have that. Cries of Racism are the lazy lefts easiest way to attack their opponents, especially when the charges are false and nowhere near the truth.

Not accusing the "tea parties" of racism-I'm saying that the racists are attracted to the tea party's platform, especially its anti-immigration and non-interventionist aspects. Just the way it is, so, yes, when Hugh Hewitt speaks to the 'tea party," he's also speaking to the racists, whether he-or you like it or not.

 

[billc]

That is a really weak come back Elder999. With all due respect, I and others have shown actual, real racism from beatings to name calling from the unions and the democrat party, full bore, no implying of racism, actual old fashioned racism at town hall meetings, at the wisconsin sit in by the unions, and numerous other places.

 

[Twin Fist]

hold up Jeff

so stormfront supporting the tea party is bad

right?

then the american communist party support the dems is also bad?

and the american socialist part backing obamacare?


following your logic here would seem to get everyone bloody

how about we agree that you cant control who likes you, but you can control who you like.

so as long as the tea party doesnt support stormfront, it isnt a big deal

 

[Cryozombie]

Elder, the only thing I would question is whether that justifies branding the whole organization racist.

If so, how hard would it be for me to create, say, an Anti-hispanic hate group, and then once it was established, latch on to the liberal democratic platform of allowing Illegal Immigration because it helps keep those "Brown People" workin' slave labor in the lettuce fields so we can have cheap produce... after all that is the assertion of all the Liberals when you try and stop illegal immigration; We couldn't afford produce then!

So If I did this and all my members joined the democratic party, would that make the Liberals suddenly Evil Hate Mongering Racists? Of course not, but by their own standards, it would have to, wouldn't it?

 

[billc]

Nice come back Twin fist, I appreciate the insight.

 

[billc]

Thanks Cryozombie.

 

[elder999]

That is a really weak come back Elder999. With all due respect, I and others have shown actual, real racism from beatings to name calling from the unions and the democrat party, full bore, no implying of racism, actual old fashioned racism at town hall meetings, at the wisconsin sit in by the unions, and numerous other places.

It's not "weak," and it's not a come back. No where have I accused the 'tea party" of racism, or implied that they were racists in any way, except that, like every other party out there, they have their fringe elements,and, whether they care to proclaim ownership of them or not, they'll take their votes.

And, yes, John, any kind of support from the Stormfront should be, at least, disavowed-haven't seen that happen.

 

[billc]

Anita dunn, interim communications director for Obama:

In the speech, Dunn made this stunning statement:

“And the third tip actually comes from two of my favorite political philosophers, Mao Tse Tung and Mother Teresa… the two people that I turn to most to basically deliver a simple plan.

…which is you’re going to make choices, you’re going to challenge, you’re going to say why not, you’re going to figure out how to do things no one’s ever done before… here’s the deal, they’re your choices …

In 1947, when Mao Tse-Tung was being challenged within his own party… to take China over, Chiang Kai-Shek [and his soldiers] held the cities, held the armies, held the air force… the people can say can say how you can do this? Mao said, ‘You fight your war, I’ll fight mine’… you don’t have to accept the definition of how to do things… you fight your own war.”

Mao, the murderer? Does this make her or Obama supporters of mass murder? Where does anything involved with the tea party come close to this. That guy Van Jones was a revolutionary communist, the green jobs Czar. He also worked for Obama,didn't he? Does this stormfront group have any working relationship with the tea parties?
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[billc]

Van Jones from wikipedia:In October 2005 Jones said he was "a rowdy nationalist"[15] before the King verdict was announced, but that by August of that year (1992) he was a communist.[15

He was a Czar for Obama, not just a "fringe" element.

 

[granfire]

Anita dunn, interim communications director for Obama:

In the speech, Dunn made this stunning statement:

“And the third tip actually comes from two of my favorite political philosophers, Mao Tse Tung and Mother Teresa… the two people that I turn to most to basically deliver a simple plan.

…which is you’re going to make choices, you’re going to challenge, you’re going to say why not, you’re going to figure out how to do things no one’s ever done before… here’s the deal, they’re your choices …

In 1947, when Mao Tse-Tung was being challenged within his own party… to take China over, Chiang Kai-Shek [and his soldiers] held the cities, held the armies, held the air force… the people can say can say how you can do this? Mao said, ‘You fight your war, I’ll fight mine’… you don’t have to accept the definition of how to do things… you fight your own war.”

Mao, the murderer? Does this make her or Obama supporters of mass murder? Where does anything involved with the tea party come close to this. That guy Van Jones was a revolutionary communist, the green jobs Czar. He also worked for Obama,didn't he? Does this stormfront group have any working relationship with the tea parties?
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Interesting twist....

Somebody says how the conservative right attracts the followers of the KKK spin-offs and here we are at the 'all communists are evil murderers' again.

I think it's safe to assume that Mao is not voting for Obama...were as the white supremacists do legally and practically cast ballots which by all possible means can be counted toward the Tea Party count.

Also, by general nature a communist <GASP> I know, is not derogatory or demeaning to other people by reason of their outward appearance or heritage (communists governments are a different story)

 

[elder999]

Mao, the murderer?

Mao's On Guerilla Warfare belongs on everyone's shelf, in my opinion-the language is great, even if it is a modern rehash of Sun Tzu (and quotes extensively from Lenin's On Guerilla Warfare[.)

Does this make her or Obama supporters of mass murder?

Nope. Mao's one of my favorite philosophers, too.<gasp!>

So's Jesus.

I have two copies of Mein Kampf, but it's miserable reading, and hardly ever quote worthy-unlike Mao:

The people, and the people alone, are the motive force in the making of world history.​

Classes struggle, some classes triumph, others are eliminated. Such is history.​

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... Where does anything involved with the tea party come close to this. That guy Van Jones was a revolutionary communist, the green jobs Czar. He also worked for Obama,didn't he?

By his own admission-what exactly did he do while he was a "revolutionary communist?" Write slogans? Pass out flyers?

My grandparents were members of the American Communist party, who are, in part:

Founded in 1919, the Communist Party USA has championed the struggles for democracy, labor rights, women&#8217;s equality, racial justice and peace for ninety years.

Of course, my grandparents quit the Communist Party in 1939. While I'm no fan of communists, I don't make them out to be the boogie-men some people do.

I mean, unlike some of the denizens of the Stormfront, the American Communist Party has proven to be fairly harmless.....

Does this stormfront group have any working relationship with the tea parties?

Well, bill, I won't post any links, but if you log onto their forum, you'll see that they have a subsection for the tea parties. Figure it out for yourself.

 

[billc]

Still not quite as strong a response as I would have expected, but it allows us to continue.

 

[Big Don]

I have two copies of Mein Kampf, but it's miserable reading

Huh. So, Obama and Hitler have that in common, both crappy writers, but, gifted orators.

 

[elder999]

Huh. So, Obama and Hitler have that in common, both crappy writers, but, gifted orators.

Obama's a good orator, and merely a crappy writer-and colloquial; I'm sure he dictated most of it.

Hitler, though:

All the human culture, all the results of art, science and technology that we see before us today, are almost exclusively the creative product of the Aryan. This very fact admits of the not unfounded inference that he alone was the founder of all higher humanity, therefore representing the prototype of all that we understand by the word "man." He is the Prometheus of mankind from whose shining brow the divine spark of genius has sprung at all times, forever kindling anew that fire of knowledge which illuminated the night of silent mysteries and thus caused man to climb the path to mastery over the other beings of the earth . . . It was he who laid the foundations and erected the walls of every great structure in human culture.

There's a German word for this kind of writing (and German sentence structure makes it even worse): Gobbledygook.

 

[billc]

I mean, unlike some of the denizens of the Stormfront, the American Communist Party has proven to be fairly harmless..... (Elder999)

except the giving nuclear weapons secrets to the soviet union thing, or the supporting hitler on orders of the soviet union thing, and trying to keep the U.S. out of the early war, or then turning against hitler on orders of the soviet union thing...

 

[billc]

Kind of a big thing that I think overshadows this stormfront thing:

Ethel Greenglass Rosenberg (September 28, 1915 &#8211; June 19, 1953) and Julius Rosenberg (May 12, 1918 &#8211; June 19, 1953) were American communists who were executed in 1953 for conspiracy to commit espionage. The charges related to passing information about the atomic bomb to the Soviet Union. This was the first execution of civilians for espionage in United States history.[1]

Since the execution, decoded Soviet cables, codenamed VENONA, have supported courtroom testimony that Julius acted as a courier and recruiter for the Soviets, but doubts remain about the level of Ethel's involvement.[2][3]

Giving nuke info to the soviets, kind of big.