which is better for self defense
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I think learning to take a punch can be as important as punching; so, I will choose the prior.cfr said:
Sean
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cfr said:
Neither.
Muay Thai is a ring sport and will prepare you for a fight in the ring, but not against an attacker with a baseball bat in a parking lot, with no rules
Nor will any combination of systems that does not address free fighting. Sparring is important to learn to deal with adrenaline and physical stress.
Good luck!
Mike
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learn as much as you can from any style you can and see what will flow together from them. Go both directions.
Bammx2
2nd Black Belt
Muscle Memory.
My personal expierience was when I was 16...I got my 1st BB in shotokan.
I also got jumped one after school. I got the snot kicked out of me cause I had automatically reverted to my training of "point fighting".
Don't get me wrong...I SCORED great! but they scored better;-)
I started training for full contact kickboxing soon afterwards and it was like the 1st day of school all over again.I had no idea how TO punch,much less take a punch.
I still swear by traditional styles....without them,we would not be here having this discussion.Hence my 2nd BB in shorinryu.
My suggestion....learn what ever will work for you,but practice on a heavy bag as well.
Training partners are great,but they get a little offended if you try to wop the daylights out of'em too much.
I can definitely speak from expierience;although personal only,I needed to learn both stand up and ground fighting and lots o bag work.
The other posts I have read so far on the subject are exxellent advice....choose what works for you.there is plenty out there.
Just know...if you train to "hold" punches only....you just might.
My personal expierience was when I was 16...I got my 1st BB in shotokan.
I also got jumped one after school. I got the snot kicked out of me cause I had automatically reverted to my training of "point fighting".
Don't get me wrong...I SCORED great! but they scored better;-)
I started training for full contact kickboxing soon afterwards and it was like the 1st day of school all over again.I had no idea how TO punch,much less take a punch.
I still swear by traditional styles....without them,we would not be here having this discussion.Hence my 2nd BB in shorinryu.
My suggestion....learn what ever will work for you,but practice on a heavy bag as well.
Training partners are great,but they get a little offended if you try to wop the daylights out of'em too much.
I can definitely speak from expierience;although personal only,I needed to learn both stand up and ground fighting and lots o bag work.
The other posts I have read so far on the subject are exxellent advice....choose what works for you.there is plenty out there.
Just know...if you train to "hold" punches only....you just might.
M
markulous
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Bammx2 said:
What you just said is so true. What a lot of people don't realize is that when they are training for "points" that's what they are going to fall back on when it's go time. Even though they say "Oh well we train for points and we train for real also." Your still going to revert back to whatever train in. That's why training for points is a BAD thing that becomes habitual.
Kembudo-Kai Kempoka
Senior Master
Do the world a favor. Buy a gun, stay indoors at home, and wait for the bad guys to come to you.
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markulous
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cfr said:
Not sparring nessicarily. I guess it depends what your definition of sparring is. When we spar we fight as if it was real life(with the tempo turned down obviously). We throw on gear but other than that the stuff we use in there is stuff we would use on the street.
But if when you "spar" your trying to tap the guy with your foot to get a point or slap the guy on top of the head, then that is the stuff your going to fall back on.
Pick one style and get good at it.
I've seen way too many professional yellow belts. They've got yellow or orange belts in five or six styles, because they tried to do everything at once and ended up mastering nothing. Learning a style takes time and energy. Splitting that time and energy between two styles means you're only giving 50% at each.
I've seen way too many professional yellow belts. They've got yellow or orange belts in five or six styles, because they tried to do everything at once and ended up mastering nothing. Learning a style takes time and energy. Splitting that time and energy between two styles means you're only giving 50% at each.
Nightingale said:
Beleive you me Im tired of starting over. The big dilema here is not sparring. I really dig my instructor, but had I known it would have taken 2 - 2 1/2 years to start sparring, I probably wouldn't have signed up. At least not then. I probably would have dont Muay Thai for a couple of years to get my need to spar bug out of my system, then come to this school. By the time I was fully aware of this fact, I was locked into a contract for a year. Trust me when I say that Im not happy about my situation or the possibility that I may be starting over one more time.
cfr said:
Yes, you're correct. The right gear for throwing groin shots, eye jabs, and elbows/knees to the head. The gear is out there, but its not gonna be cheap. However, if you want the best gear for the best workout, then you're no doubt gonna pay top $$.
Mike
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Sparring to me distance, cordination, footwork ect. Is it what I would rely on in a street situation..No. I teach my students you never want to bang with some one. The longer you bang the more chances there are of you getting hurt or worse. No one wins by banging with someone. There are a wide variety of SD techniques that cant be used in sparring, joint stomps, eye gouges and a host of open hand techniques for example.
Will sparring help make you a more complete martial artist..yes. But... If you concentrate on it only it is just one aspect of the art .That will make you a "Partial Artist" not a complete Martial Artist. IMO
Will sparring help make you a more complete martial artist..yes. But... If you concentrate on it only it is just one aspect of the art .That will make you a "Partial Artist" not a complete Martial Artist. IMO
Brother John
Senior Master
Everyone responds differently to different kinds of training. What will work for you has as much to do with the art & what they do in their training (sparing or not) as it does with your own termrament and general level of physical conditioning. Also: the quality of instruction is another consideration. If I were you (and I'm not) I'd go with the later. But that's me.cfr said:
Your Brother
John
PS: And in all honesty...I'd really go with neither...I'd go with Kenpo.
But that's me. :asian:
Cruentus
Grandmaster
IMHO...
Any art with live training is "best" for self-defense. You need to be able to train against a resisting and unpredictable partner. I don't think that "competition" with rules and such is the answer, but for imediate use in self-defense, you need to be able to try out whatever you are learning against someone who is resisting and unpredictable.
That's what I think.
:asian:
Any art with live training is "best" for self-defense. You need to be able to train against a resisting and unpredictable partner. I don't think that "competition" with rules and such is the answer, but for imediate use in self-defense, you need to be able to try out whatever you are learning against someone who is resisting and unpredictable.
That's what I think.
:asian:
