I haven't looked for data on it, but doing laundry with soap should be plenty effective. Soap does effectively break down the virus.
What is your plan for re-opening?
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CB Jones
Senior Master
Soap is very effective in breaking down the corona virus sometimes better than alcohol.
Soap molecules bond to the virus outer layer and pull the virus apart.
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Covid-19: "I'm going to sicken thousands and kill your granma. Bwaaahaaaahaaaa!"
Soap: "Not so fast, evil virus. I'm going to tear you apart!"
Covid or soap?
Agreed. And I assume that process is fully effective in laundry, though I've not looked for a study on it.
CB Jones
Senior Master
It is. The stuff that breaks down and removes lipids (fats and oils) from your clothes is the same stuff that destroys the virus.
Amphiphiles in the soap are attracted to lipids and bonds to them which pulls them apart. Since the viruses have a fatty outer wall the Amphiphiles are attracted to them as well.
Apropos of some earlier discussions in this thread: I read an article today that it is unlikely warmer weather will reduce the novel coronavirus much, because there's too little immunity. We've already seen major outbreaks in areas that were quite warm at the time of the outbreak.
Going to be a long year.
Going to be a long year.
Headhunter
Senior Master
Have just seen that some bjj schools have fully reopened......man there really is no limit to human stupidity...you can't teach stupid....looks like you can't quarantine it either
Headhunter
Senior Master
Tell that to everyone's who's lost family members because people can't listen. Yeah sure I'm listening to what I'm being told. Say I'm living in fear if you want. I'd rather live in fear than get members of my family extremely sick or worse. I personally don't think a unimportant martial art lesson is worth risking my families health. Again there's a reason businesses closed down, there's a reason schools closed down, there's a reason people can't visit people in hospital and most appointments cancelled. This isn't just being done for the fun of it (despite the stupid conspiracy theories )
jobo
Grandmaster
its very debatable if any of those things actually made much difference to the death toll, on an individual basis, if you stop home and have no visitors your undoubtedly at significantly less risk of catching it, but thats not what people, well most people could do, the moment your going shopping or for some exercise your back in the firing line
If there are 50% fewer people in a store than usual (and the remaning folks make use of the space to keep some distance), your risk of contracting (or spreading) the virus is commensurately reduced. I can't find an immunologist or epidemiologist of any repute who doesn't hold that opinion.
This is why I'm teaching only 1 student right now. Instead of asking him to pay me, he will do the shopping for me. I have not been in grocery store since 3/1.
I prefer to take my risk against 1 person with face mask and social distance than to go to grocery store myself.
Flying Crane
Sr. Grandmaster
It is certainly reduced but six feet is by no means a magic number beyond which you are suddenly safe. So wearing a mask is still critical, and I am shocked every time I go to Target at how many people are not wearing masks, both employees and customers. If people are not wearing a mask, droplets can become airborn and travel much farther than six feet, and if people are “loud talkers” or are singing or coughing or sneezing, it can travel much farther than that.
So yeah, reducing the capacity by 50% helps, but things like wearing masks is still critical and it all remains far from a guarantee.
jobo
Grandmaster
that has certain vagueness in it , how many people are usually in the store, what the density of those people and how much room do the other people give you ?
and by how much is your risk reduced /
this is rhetorical, you clearly cant answer as you dont know, but then neither does anybody else, making claims its had any noticeable effect on the death impossible to substantiate
whats clear to me is the 2 m rule they have tried to enforce in the UK is completely inadequate, when your going to stand 2 m from other people for an hour or more to get into the shop and are then going to interact with the check out staff at considerably less than 2 m, and received money that hasn't been sterilised
and whilst large supermarkets, may be able to put some controls in place, the extended queuing they have set up has driven people to shop at small local stores that dont have the means to set up entry control or enough room to allow any distancing to take place for the increased volume of people, they have taken a relatively low risk environment and moved the problem to multiple high risk environments, quite possibly greatly increasing the deaths>? but almost certainly negating any benefits the supermarket controls have given
the science may be good, the application of that science is some what different
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jobo
Grandmaster
you appear to be exploiting your student to increase their risk of infection in return for lessons, if its safe for him to do your shopping its equally safe for you to do it yourself
Headhunter
Senior Master
He's going next stage karate kid on the guy....never mind wax the floor or paint the fence. Now it's get my shopping
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