Aikia said:
Thanks for your comments. I agree that one interpretation of "value" would have to consider the ammount invested versus the potential to gain an income. This question pertains to receiving an income from teaching JKD.
1) For example the karate groups have professional business organizations that teach them how to market their skill. 2) Even first degree black belts often gross $6000. or more per month for teaching Tae kwon do or karate. 3) I get the impression that there are no JKD schools in which the instructor earns a middle class living. I know that in the early 1990's I offered a beginning JKD class at the university. 4) Few students,it seemed had an interest in JKD. I changed the listing to JKD/Kung Fu and the enrollment was greatly increased. My beginning karate and TKD classes were always full. 5) A review of JKD forums suggests that JKD instructors generally must supplement their programs to include coursework in kali, Muay Thai, BJJ, MMA, kickboxing or the standard karate,TKD etc. 6) What I would like to know is...Can anyone (certified etc) make a living as a professional martial arts instructor from teaching only JKD? So far the answer appears to be no.
Dr. Beasely
I added numbers to your post to address them.
1) I would think that business techniques to run your school would transfer to JKD as well as any other MA. In fact I think that the offering of other martial arts (other styles kali, BJJ, Thai Boxing etc. etc.) is a good marketing tool and one that was in the forefront before schools started expanding and adding more cross training programs to boost attendance.
2) I think this is due to learning how to run a successful school as a business model than due to the popularity of karate TKD. ( In that a 1st Dan could make this kind of money) Most schools that I have seen aren't run by a 1st Dan, generally they are the ones running a feeder program at the YMCAs and recs centers. However I do know some higher dan ranks that run these programs as well while holding a primary job.
3) I think there have been some. The late Terry Gibson who was in Tulsa OK comes to mind. His school was pretty successful (it's still there I think but someone else has taken it over), and he taught JKD along with the other systems (it was a JKD Concept school). How about Burt Richardson, Lamar Davis, Ron Billicki (spelling?), and I'm sure there are others. However since JKD isn't as well of a known MA as say karate/TKD/Kung Fu I believe that there are far fewer instructors that are able to earn a living teaching JKD than the other MAs.
4) I believe the TKD/Karate/Kung Fu has a bigger presence here in the sates and therefore when people see a class being offered they will generally gravitate to the ones whom they know, more so than trying something new. especially in a college type setting. I would also think that you might get the percentage of students who took the TKD/karate/KF class before as a kid (or that someone they knew took it) and decide to take it again as well. So not only is the name recognition better but also the past experience factor as well.
5) I don't consider this supplementing their programs, rather I think it is a continuation of the JKD Concepts programs. In the JKD Concepts; Kali is taught along side of the Silat, the Boxing, Thai Boxing, BJJ, Shoot fighting etc. etc. etc. as well as the Jan Fun Gung Fu (Bruce Lee's system). To me this is a good marketing tool and trying to reach out to a wider base of people. Since someone might be interested in the BJJ (or any other sub system taught) and decide to come to your school because of that and then later on move into branching out into the other classes/arts/sub systems as well.
6) From this I take it you mean original JKD (or what's called/refered to as original JKD). I don't know.
Now what might be a different question to ask but still along the same lines is why a JKD school might not be profitable? And I think there might be several factors to this (and these can apply to any other MA as well).
1) Name recognition
2) Market (I think this is key): (this is my opinon only) Who is in the market for this type of training, young males (some females) by and large. And who is the most fluctuating market again young people. Therefore the student base is fluid and not the kind to build a steady clientel on.
a) From my experience from attending some clases at different schools, seminars etc. etc. I don't see many people in their 40's (and above) and many kids (16 below) in the JKD classes. However in a given TKD/karate class the kids are the bread and butter, and thier parents are sometimes in the programs as well.
3) The instructors, uniforms (or lack there of), schools
JKD has the hardcore training, the backyard classes, the lack of uniforms, and young instructors, as their calling card. Does the average person want this? Does the young professional who wants to maybe learn some self defense want to join a backyard group with no matts, no mirrors, being taught out of someone's garage? Or the young mother? Will the older man whose taken some karate back in his youth seek out a guy whose much younger than him. Or will he seek out the older instructor at the karate dojo down the street whom he can relate to and who owns his own business?
a) The lack of uniforms, to the person who thinks everyone needs to wear a gi, or wants to wear a gi to make them feel special they don't like the idea of everyone wearing different attire. Again maybe the young women feels intimidated by the good looking woman in a sports bra and T shirt and tight pants (workout attire) and wants to be some place where she will feel anominity (everone dressed the same).
b) This might rankle some, but the instructors might be another problem. I have met some who were good in one art and ok in another. But if you are teaching the JKD Concept approach then the art that you are good in, might not be the art I'm interested in, or even better in. So the instruction might not be as good in some areas.
Please I understand that in the all of the arts there is always something else to learn, and I'm not knocking JKD or saying JKD is bad. I'm just bringing out points for disscusion since the question was asked how come JKD can't teach for a living.
Submitted with respect
Mark