training v.s. Doctor's orders

[paitingman]

If you're cleared to do basic calisthenics from the doc then you can still get one hell of a work out.
Shadow box, stretch, do some low impact exercises. Ask your krav instructor for some solo drills you can do and then just practice.

Don't go against the Dr.'s orders

 

[Gerry Seymour]

Very true. There is often a disconnect between the doctor and the activity. A doctor who does martial arts will have a better idea and understanding of what's going on in the context of how the body is moving during the activity. I think understanding that makes martial arts healers good at what they do. A dotor who is personally familiar with the activity in question is a bonus.

Agreed. At the very least, a doctor who is used to dealing with highly active people. My GP has a sports medicine focus, so he understands that I need to know more about the limitations on an injury than some people, and that "recovery" isn't just that point at which I regain range-of-motion, but when I can safely have someone apply pressure to the joint.

 

[lklawson]

Some things to al least consider...

What's the person who graduates dead last in his Medical Classes called?
Doctor.

What do you call a person who just barely passes his black belt test? A person who passed the test because he met the minimum requirements.

Same for Doctors. The person who just barely passes, still met the minimum requirements.

If you believe the minimum requirements are too low, then raise the minimums. But even if you take the minimum "score" from 80 (random number) to 90, you'll still be able to make the joke, "what do you call the person who graduated dead last..." This is why we have minimum standards: to ensure that even those who meet the minimum standards are still qualified.

The joke is funny, but ultimately meaningless.

Peace favor your sword,
Kirk

 

[oftheherd1]

Some things to al least consider...

What's the person who graduates dead last in his Medical Classes called?
Doctor.

Healers, Medicine Men.....General Practitioners, Specialists in various fields of AMA, Traditional Chinese Medicine, Naturopathy, Homeopathy, Message Therapy, Acupuncture, Herbal Therapy, Chiropractic, Reiki/Energy medicine, Ayurvedic Medicine, Tai-Chi, Orthomolecular Medicine, Earth Medicine, Biopsychosocial Medicine etc, etc, etc.

And here's some more names - they sell medicines....Johnson and Johnson, Roche, Pfizer, Novartis, GlaxoSmithKline, Bayer, Merck & Co.....all of whom record yearly profits in the tens of billions. But they love you and only have your best interests at heart.

Doctors, especially AMA Doctors, tend to treat symptons rather than causes.

Sometimes, a Doctor will tell you, "You can't do...whatever any more. And sometimes, that statement is based in what's taught as liability, not healing. People love to tell you "You can't."

May we all, and our family and friends, enjoy good health. May we all be careful/skeptical enough to get second and third opinions on any and all health issues, from any and all healing sources.

Buka, I'm not sure how much your post is tongue and cheek.

But I do have some experience with eastern acupuncture and herbal, as well as western medicine. My take on eastern medicine is it depends on both the practitioner and patient. I have seen acupuncturists who could not help a particular patient, but help another very much, both displaying the same symptoms. I have seen patients who were helped for only a few hours or days, others who got up off the treatment table and needed no more treatments, or at least very long times between treatments.

I have diabetes. My wife mentioned that to a Korean traditional doctor who was skilled in herbal treatments. I quickly had to make a choice as to whether to continue the Korean herbal medicine or stick with the western medicine. Taking the two together quickly dropped my blood sugar to unsafe low levels.

I saw a Korean man and wife team, who were under the teaching of a Chinese traditional medicine doctor. They both checked my heartbeat at the wrist, they consulted with the Chinese doctor who also checked it. My wife then told them of my bypass surgery of about 2 years prior. The Koreans had felt anomalies, but weren't sure about what it was.

Strangely, I feel the same about western medicine. How many times do patients consult with other doctors, either because they don't like a particular diagnosis, or because their doctor suggests it.

 

[JowGaWolf]

Strangely, I feel the same about western medicine. How many times do patients consult with other doctors, either because they don't like a particular diagnosis, or because their doctor suggests it.

I like doctors who don't mind other doctors giving a second opinion or verifying the findings. Doctors like this understand that they may be missing piece of the puzzle.

 

[Gerry Seymour]

I like doctors who don't mind other doctors giving a second opinion or verifying the findings. Doctors like this understand that they may be missing piece of the puzzle.

And that, at the very least, two smart people have more knowledge than one smart person.

 

[Buka]

What do you call a person who just barely passes his black belt test? A person who passed the test because he met the minimum requirements.

Same for Doctors. The person who just barely passes, still met the minimum requirements.

If you believe the minimum requirements are too low, then raise the minimums. But even if you take the minimum "score" from 80 (random number) to 90, you'll still be able to make the joke, "what do you call the person who graduated dead last..." This is why we have minimum standards: to ensure that even those who meet the minimum standards are still qualified.

The joke is funny, but ultimately meaningless.

Peace favor your sword,
Kirk

Buka, I'm not sure how much your post is tongue and cheek.

But I do have some experience with eastern acupuncture and herbal, as well as western medicine. My take on eastern medicine is it depends on both the practitioner and patient. I have seen acupuncturists who could not help a particular patient, but help another very much, both displaying the same symptoms. I have seen patients who were helped for only a few hours or days, others who got up off the treatment table and needed no more treatments, or at least very long times between treatments.

I have diabetes. My wife mentioned that to a Korean traditional doctor who was skilled in herbal treatments. I quickly had to make a choice as to whether to continue the Korean herbal medicine or stick with the western medicine. Taking the two together quickly dropped my blood sugar to unsafe low levels.

I saw a Korean man and wife team, who were under the teaching of a Chinese traditional medicine doctor. They both checked my heartbeat at the wrist, they consulted with the Chinese doctor who also checked it. My wife then told them of my bypass surgery of about 2 years prior. The Koreans had felt anomalies, but weren't sure about what it was.

Strangely, I feel the same about western medicine. How many times do patients consult with other doctors, either because they don't like a particular diagnosis, or because their doctor suggests it.

No, not tongue in cheek at all. Not even a little bit. Over the years I've been told by doctors "you can't, you shouldn't, don't do, blah, blah, blah." Why? Because I suffer from various ailments and have for a long time. And most of the "can't, don't and you shouldn'ts" have been about hard training, competition, diet, medications, work, treatments, whatever.

I'll give you a for instance, a mild one. Five years ago I wore a wrist brace for a year or so, my wrist was just f'ed. Went to some specialists in the best hospitals in Boston. They didn't know what was exactly wrong, so they wanted to do exploratory surgery. I'm thinking, "you don't know what's wrong and you want to cut into me to take a look?" They wanted to cut a ligament in order to let a tendon heal. And I asked, "then you'll re-attach it?" They said, no, you really don't need it. I'm thinking, "I use my hands a lot [Martial Arts] favor carrying a side arm on that side for work, and I don't need it? Hmmm, must be another way.

So I went to Doctor Chen, an acupuncturist for 43 years, who's dad was an acupuncturist too. Went twice a week for three months, and at a very reasonable fee. Haven't worn the brace since. Yesterday afternoon we were doing disarms and wrist locks/grabs. Got my wrist cranked a lot. It's fine. I was actually looking at it this morning, thinking of Doctor Chen. Made me smile.

I suffer from Ulcerative Colitis since I was a kid, I have severe arthritis, I have degenerative disc disease in my neck, I have Rheumatoid Arthritis, I have De Quervain's tenosynovitas, I have a torn MCL that's all scar tissued over, I was hit by a car on my bike as a kid and nothing aligns properly since. I also have blah, bah, blah. Yeah, big fricken whoop.

Some Doctors told me I couldn't train in fighting Arts, at least not on a serious or advanced level, and defintely couldn't fight. Some of those Doctors I later attended the funerals of, and they were younger than I am now. Other Doctors, some in AMA and many others in alternative medicines, told me, "let's try this, that or the other thing." And this, that and the other thing seemed to work. Other than being a broken down, old man, I can still train with anybody, fight with anybody, work full time and enjoy life - sometimes even doing naughty things. All thanks to some Docs I wouldn't listen to and some whom I would.

The question - what do you call a person who graduated last in his Medical class? And the answer, "A Doctor" was not a joke. It was a truth. I believe it is something you should keep in mind when dealing with Doctors.

I wish you all good health. You listen to your choice of Medicine Men, I'll continue to listen to my choice of Medicine men....or not.

 

[Buka]

And another thing [uh oh, old fool on a roll] I find Doctors a lot like Martial Arts instructors. Walk into fifty dojos and ask them "Show me specifically how to deal with...whatever"

How many different answers, ways, methods etc are you going to get? Will they all work for you? I dunno', maybe. And maybe not. Some of them might be okay, some might be tactically incorrect, some might be weak, some might be actual bullsheet. And some might get your *** killed. But these guys are supposed to know.

How can I compare martial Instructors to Doctors? Doctors have actually schooling. So do we. They deal with actual life and death issues. So do we. Some of us with many more years of full time study than some doctors have even lived.

Harrumph, harrumph.

 

[JowGaWolf]

Harrumph, harrumph.

Too funny

 

[oftheherd1]

@Buka Sounds like we are saying many of the same thing for the same reasons.