training v.s. Doctor's orders

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Hello everyone, im Zack, new to this forum and i have come seeking advice, plus some professional opinions should a qualified professional find this post...
I am a relatively new practitioner of Krav Maga and i love it. been at it just under a year and up until a few week ago was training 6 hours a week. I was hospitalized for an issue that turned out to be non life threatening problem with kidneys. now, i hve been told by my doctor that i am ok, no progession of illness, BUT they cant rule out that my issue is from a clot. i hve had multiple ct scans and seen cardiology dr, all report me being healthy, yet i am told to remain on blood thinners....thats my problem. blood thinners = no contact sports. so i am seeking advice and info on what level of martial arts i can resume. none of my doctors have any martial arts experience so they just lump all activity together as potentially dangerous. i must find a way to continue to train, even if it means starting over again in a different discipline of martial arts.

can anyone weigh in with some wisdom or professional opinions?

thanks for taking the time to read my post.
 

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Hello everyone, im Zack, new to this forum and i have come seeking advice, plus some professional opinions should a qualified professional find this post...
I am a relatively new practitioner of Krav Maga and i love it. been at it just under a year and up until a few week ago was training 6 hours a week. I was hospitalized for an issue that turned out to be non life threatening problem with kidneys. now, i hve been told by my doctor that i am ok, no progession of illness, BUT they cant rule out that my issue is from a clot. i hve had multiple ct scans and seen cardiology dr, all report me being healthy, yet i am told to remain on blood thinners....thats my problem. blood thinners = no contact sports. so i am seeking advice and info on what level of martial arts i can resume. none of my doctors have any martial arts experience so they just lump all activity together as potentially dangerous. i must find a way to continue to train, even if it means starting over again in a different discipline of martial arts.

can anyone weigh in with some wisdom or professional opinions?

thanks for taking the time to read my post.
there is always a danger even with non contact drills/ sparring that you will get a knock on the nose and start bleeding,
how dangerous is that to you?
 
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I had jjst been allowed to start sparring at my school about 2 months before this all went down. but it was controlled sparring @ 20% power and i was by far the most green student. i got my *** kicked pretty much 80% of the time but my partners were all nice about it and very forgiving. i got some black eyes and even had my nuts turnd purple a few times...but i dont have to sparr, i have can pad work...im trying to find the medium.
i have accidentally cut myself a few times since being on meds and it wasnt anything like i was told. i even leaned into an exposed nail on my fence and a decent puncture wound, but i didnt bleed out.
 
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i would be willing to wear headgear with face mask while doing focus mitts if thats what i to do.
 

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Easy answer don't do anything until your doctors say you can. Your health is more important than martial art training. Is martial art training your career? No so really it's not important at all In the grand scheme of things so don't do it until your good
 

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I had jjst been allowed to start sparring at my school about 2 months before this all went down. but it was controlled sparring @ 20% power and i was by far the most green student. i got my *** kicked pretty much 80% of the time but my partners were all nice about it and very forgiving. i got some black eyes and even had my nuts turnd purple a few times...but i dont have to sparr, i have can pad work...im trying to find the medium.
i have accidentally cut myself a few times since being on meds and it wasnt anything like i was told. i even leaned into an exposed nail on my fence and a decent puncture wound, but i didnt bleed out.
Yeah getting black eyes and your nuts turned purple and getting your *** kicked doesn't sound like controlled sparring to me.
 

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I had jjst been allowed to start sparring at my school about 2 months before this all went down. but it was controlled sparring @ 20% power and i was by far the most green student. i got my *** kicked pretty much 80% of the time but my partners were all nice about it and very forgiving. i got some black eyes and even had my nuts turnd purple a few times...but i dont have to sparr, i have can pad work...im trying to find the medium.
i have accidentally cut myself a few times since being on meds and it wasnt anything like i was told. i even leaned into an exposed nail on my fence and a decent puncture wound, but i didnt bleed out.
no one here can tell you to ignore your doctor, there are lots of no,light contact clubs,you can attend, if this is a good idea only you know, your going to have to tell the instructor,
 

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damage ro kidneys isnt my worry. my doc said kidneys showed no signs of trauma. kidney damge cause is still unknown.
Well there's still a problem with them so it makes no sense to be at risk of getting them hit and more damaged
 

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What do you want from martial arts training? Can your doctors speak to other doctors, perhaps a sports medicine colleague, and help you find a way to train safely?

I'm not a doctor, and I cannot and will not give you medical advice. You need to get that from your docs. If you insist on training, I would stay with non-contact forms of training.
 

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i must find a way to continue to train, even if it means starting over again in a different discipline of martial arts.
Maybe you have already got your answer as you state here? For you personally, how would you weigh starting over vs other options? It seem like you know the right thing to do, health wise and but that diverge from what feel like the best thing for you?? Wishes tho, and welcome along :) x
 

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Yeah getting black eyes and your nuts turned purple and getting your *** kicked doesn't sound like controlled sparring to me.
yeah I was about to say the same thing. At 20% those injuries shouldn't even occur, not unless a person bruises really easily. The purple nuts shouldn't happen at all if they wear their protective cup.

If I had kidney issues then I would listen to the doctor. If I didn't think the doctor was accurate then I would get a second opinion. Sometimes doctors say stupid stuff but most of the time they say things out of an abundance of caution. No one wants to get sued for telling a patient that they can spar and risk that contact causing problems.

I guess the down side to Krav Maga training is no forms.
 

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I take blood thinners. I bruise easily. I don't clot as quickly either.

I don't actively practice my art any more, but I could if I am willing to put up with more bruising and tears (I also use a medicine that thins my skin). Aging does the same to skin. I still occasionally go through my techniques, just not with practice partners. It helps.

lklawson's advice is good. Also we have some medically trained people here on MT, but I think they would be hesitant (if not refuse) to give medical advice without access to your history. Are there other MA available in your area that might require less contact? Have you discussed this with your doctor(s)?
 

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There maybe additional reasons for the doctors orders beyond the ones that we think. Doctor's often do not tell you why you shouldn't do something unless you ask. They just say don't do it. There may be other things that are affected other than the kidneys or bleeding. He may have an idea of what the problem is but doesn't need addition bruises and injuries to give false positives where he has to guess if the new damage is caused by being hit or if it's caused from the kidney issue. Definitely ask your doctor
 

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There maybe additional reasons for the doctors orders beyond the ones that we think. Doctor's often do not tell you why you shouldn't do something unless you ask. They just say don't do it. There may be other things that are affected other than the kidneys or bleeding. He may have an idea of what the problem is but doesn't need addition bruises and injuries to give false positives where he has to guess if the new damage is caused by being hit or if it's caused from the kidney issue. Definitely ask your doctor

Good advice. Beyond that, you may wish to speak to a doctor who has some knowledge of the martial arts and get a second, more clarified opinion. One of my doctors, who handled a knee injury I suffered, is about my age and it turned out that he had spent many years in karate. Compared to a previous doctor, he was more understanding of my situation and after the operation directed me to a physical therapy program that was more vigorous than what he usually recommended for people my age.
 

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Good advice. Beyond that, you may wish to speak to a doctor who has some knowledge of the martial arts and get a second, more clarified opinion. One of my doctors, who handled a knee injury I suffered, is about my age and it turned out that he had spent many years in karate. Compared to a previous doctor, he was more understanding of my situation and after the operation directed me to a physical therapy program that was more vigorous than what he usually recommended for people my age.
Very true. There is often a disconnect between the doctor and the activity. A doctor who does martial arts will have a better idea and understanding of what's going on in the context of how the body is moving during the activity. I think understanding that makes martial arts healers good at what they do. A dotor who is personally familiar with the activity in question is a bonus.
 

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Hello everyone, im Zack, new to this forum and i have come seeking advice, plus some professional opinions should a qualified professional find this post...
I am a relatively new practitioner of Krav Maga and i love it. been at it just under a year and up until a few week ago was training 6 hours a week. I was hospitalized for an issue that turned out to be non life threatening problem with kidneys. now, i hve been told by my doctor that i am ok, no progession of illness, BUT they cant rule out that my issue is from a clot. i hve had multiple ct scans and seen cardiology dr, all report me being healthy, yet i am told to remain on blood thinners....thats my problem. blood thinners = no contact sports. so i am seeking advice and info on what level of martial arts i can resume. none of my doctors have any martial arts experience so they just lump all activity together as potentially dangerous. i must find a way to continue to train, even if it means starting over again in a different discipline of martial arts.

can anyone weigh in with some wisdom or professional opinions?

thanks for taking the time to read my post.

Listen to the doctor or pay the consequences later...and believe me...you may not like the consequences..... and I am speaking form experience.
 

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Some things to al least consider...

What's the person who graduates dead last in his Medical Classes called?
Doctor.

Healers, Medicine Men.....General Practitioners, Specialists in various fields of AMA, Traditional Chinese Medicine, Naturopathy, Homeopathy, Message Therapy, Acupuncture, Herbal Therapy, Chiropractic, Reiki/Energy medicine, Ayurvedic Medicine, Tai-Chi, Orthomolecular Medicine, Earth Medicine, Biopsychosocial Medicine etc, etc, etc.

And here's some more names - they sell medicines....Johnson and Johnson, Roche, Pfizer, Novartis, GlaxoSmithKline, Bayer, Merck & Co.....all of whom record yearly profits in the tens of billions. But they love you and only have your best interests at heart.

Doctors, especially AMA Doctors, tend to treat symptons rather than causes.

Sometimes, a Doctor will tell you, "You can't do...whatever any more. And sometimes, that statement is based in what's taught as liability, not healing. People love to tell you "You can't."

May we all, and our family and friends, enjoy good health. May we all be careful/skeptical enough to get second and third opinions on any and all health issues, from any and all healing sources.
 

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