Tracy's Kenpo Practicioners Slamming Mr. Parker and American Kenpo(older posts)

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Originally posted by jfarnsworth
I guess you're the only one.:confused: :confused:

Even less than that, The Goldendragon doesn't even look my way anymore. Now, I just argue with myself...........:(
 

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Originally posted by RCastillo
Even less than that, The Goldendragon doesn't even look my way anymore. Now, I just argue with myself...........:(

There are specialists that can help you with that problem.
 
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Originally posted by jfarnsworth
There are specialists that can help you with that problem.

Well, I'll just keep moving forward, I guess........:(
 

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Originally posted by RCastillo
Even less than that, The Goldendragon doesn't even look my way anymore. Now, I just argue with myself...........:(

Well, if you would stop forgetting Short Form 1 all the time........:mad:

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Originally posted by Goldendragon7
Well, if you would stop forgetting Short Form 1 all the time........:mad:

:D

LOL!:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

I just got through re-reading , "The Journey," your story, and now I'm more determined than ever to "catch " the Goldendragon , The High Kenpo Icon, of the Desert!!;)
 
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Originally posted by lonekimono
CAN'T WE JUST ALL GET ALONG??




yours in kenpo

I try, but It's like the Alamo all over again. I'm surrounded by superior American Kenpo forces. I have a small chance to get a message out, but the odds are against me.I shall not agree to terms of unconditional surrender! It looks like curtains for me..............:(
 

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Originally posted by RCastillo
I try, but It's like the Alamo all over again. I'm surrounded by superior American Kenpo forces. I have a small chance to get a message out, but the odds are against me.I shall not agree to terms of unconditional surrender! It looks like curtains for me..............:(

Not the Alamo...... the Reverse!:bomb:


This time it's The Mexican:samurai: surrounded by the White guys:apv: ..... hee hee but unlike Santa Anna:2pistols: , we enjoy the engagement!:duel:

:rofl:
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forget the CURTAINS, pull the SHADES down that way they can't see you. (lol):D :)



yours in kenpo
 
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First off I would like to say Hi to everyone on this thread, as I am a new member to MartialTalk. I am a Tracy's Kenpo student, and I was shocked to hear of these statements by Tracy students. I GAURENTEE these people do not know the Tracy family, or they would not be spouting off such idiotic statements. I can assure you SuperDave, that these ideas DO NOT stem from the head of this system. My instructor is Mark Tracy, Al Tracy's son. I have had the pleasure of training with and being taught by Al Tracy (head of Tracy's Kenpo.) Al Tracy has the utmost respect and admiration for Mr. Parker, and was one of his earliest blackbelts. They remained good friends and in close contact up untill Mr. Parker's unfortunate and untimely death. When Al and Jim Tracy left the instruction of Mr. Parker, it was because they prefered to stick to the more traditional kenpo taught to Parker by Professor Chow. There was never any disagreement with American Kenpo, just a matter of "taste" on the part of the Tracy's. I have seen my instructor go out of his way to help people find good instruction in American Kenpo as taught by Ed Parker, because the prospective student was more interested in this, than in the traditional system. Tracy's system does indeed have more techniques, but that in itself certainly would not make it better. All of these techniques were taught to the Tracy's BY PARKER. These Tracy students bashing Parker make no sense. If Ed Parker was a fake, then the Tracy's kenpo sytem would be invalid also. And I wonder if these so-called students with their Mormon conspiracy theories realise that Al Tracy (the head of their system) and many members of his family belong to the Mormon church. It's not a matter of what the best system is, it's what system is best for you.
 
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HELLO TO YOU TO, now i have something to say i don't know you and to use the word FAKE what are you talking about?
i don't know how long you have been playing kenpo? but i will tell you this it don't matter if it's PARKER/TRACY, i know i started in 1965 in TRACY'S kenpo than went over to PARKER kenpo after a while. think before you say something.


" just because the stripes show, don't mean you know"

ED PARKER.

YOURS IN KENPO

ps love the history lesson:confused: :asian:
 
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Originally posted by SPP333
First off I would like to say Hi to everyone on this thread, as I am a new member to MartialTalk. I am a Tracy's Kenpo student, and I was shocked to hear of these statements by Tracy students. I GAURENTEE these people do not know the Tracy family, or they would not be spouting off such idiotic statements. I can assure you SuperDave, that these ideas DO NOT stem from the head of this system. My instructor is Mark Tracy, Al Tracy's son. I have had the pleasure of training with and being taught by Al Tracy (head of Tracy's Kenpo.) Al Tracy has the utmost respect and admiration for Mr. Parker, and was one of his earliest blackbelts. They remained good friends and in close contact up untill Mr. Parker's unfortunate and untimely death. When Al and Jim Tracy left the instruction of Mr. Parker, it was because they prefered to stick to the more traditional kenpo taught to Parker by Professor Chow. There was never any disagreement with American Kenpo, just a matter of "taste" on the part of the Tracy's. I have seen my instructor go out of his way to help people find good instruction in American Kenpo as taught by Ed Parker, because the prospective student was more interested in this, than in the traditional system. Tracy's system does indeed have more techniques, but that in itself certainly would not make it better. All of these techniques were taught to the Tracy's BY PARKER. These Tracy students bashing Parker make no sense. If Ed Parker was a fake, then the Tracy's kenpo sytem would be invalid also. And I wonder if these so-called students with their Mormon conspiracy theories realise that Al Tracy (the head of their system) and many members of his family belong to the Mormon church. It's not a matter of what the best system is, it's what system is best for you.

What statements are those, and by who?:confused: Please clarify.
 

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Both systems have their strenghts and weaknesses. I believe they both have a lot to offer.

If you dig around in both of our Kenpo forums, we have in the past compared techniques from both systems, often times in great detail.

The old dusty arguments of a few close minded individuals who need to feel 'superior' to me, have nothing to do with the true spirit of a martialartist. They just distract us from our own path towards enlightenment and mastery of which ever art we study.

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LONEKIMONO,

I just read your response to my post and I'm a little confused. I was responding to the first post in this thread, did you even read it? I don't know how, but you obviously didn't comprehend a thing my post was about. I wasn't saying Parker or Tracy Kenpo were fakes, I was saying the opposite and responding to some so-called Tracy students bashing Ed Parker. I KNOW Al Tracy and his family. I'm a Tracy student, and I was making the point that there is no "better" between the 2 systems. One is traditional, the other has been modified by the genius insights of Ed Parker.

I DIDNT USE THE WORD FAKE, SOMEONE ELSE DID.

I think it's funny that you told me to think before I say something, you obviously didn't think, nor did you probably read my complete post or this entire thread. If you had, you would have known that I was not calling anything fake. I don't know you either, and I find it odd that my post was meant to show that there should be no nonesense and argument between styles of Kenpo, and all I got from you was mis-understanding and a condescending remark about how long I've been "playing" Kenpo. I respect the fact that you've studied Kenpo since the 1960's. I've only studied for 6 years, but I do KNOW the TRACY family and have done extensive research into the history of Kenpo. That makes me more than enough qualified to say that Al Tracy is not promoting the idea that Ed Parker is a cult leader and a fake. Al Tracy has the utmost respect for Parker, and so do I. I was speaking to defend BOTH Parker and Tracy.
 
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RCASTILLO

You asked me to clarify "what statements." I was referring to the FIRST post in this thread. This thread IS titled "Tracy's Kenpo practitioners slamming Ed Parker and American Kenpo," ISNT IT? LOL I've already apparently made one poster mad because he seemed to think I meant the opposite of what I was trying to say LOL. Maybe I jumped into this thread a little late or something, no one else seems to remember the topic.LOL Anyway, my response was really aimed at SuperDave, because I wanted to assure him that the remarks by Tracy students HE referred to were NOT comming from the head of the Tracy system. I know Al Tracy. That's all I was trying to say, and somehow LoneKimono seems to think I'M calling someone or something "fake."

I'm sorry about any mis-understanding, I hope I cleared things up, I'm new here so MY APOLOGIES. I'm not here to argue or upset anyone, I was just defending Tracy's and Parkers Kenpo from some ignorant statements that apparently were made.
 
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SuperDave,

You posted a question as to where you could check out some Tracy's techniques since there isn't a school near you. If you check the REAL Tracy's website, you can order complete manuals and videotapes. Not sure where you might find some FREE info though. There really is a lot of similarities between the 2 types. Anyway, hope this helps you out.
 
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OK SPP333 this is what i keep reading from you"I KNOW AL TRACY"
:D i think that there are alot of people who do( me to)
but YOU DID say "THAT IF PARKER WAS A FAKE SO IS THE TRACY 'S" what are you talking about?? and oh yes i NEVER get upset over bullsh#@, and look I DID READ ALL OF WHAT YOU SAID
understand that please. you know someone told me that don't let what some of the people say get you mad:mad: .
but i will say this again WHY WORRY ABOUT THIS CRAP ?
if you have only been training for 6 years GERAT keep going.
and one more thing no need to tell people on the board that you got me mad, they can read.
know what you know,know why it's so. ED PARKER
:asian: :asian:

yours in kenpo
 
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