TKD guy???
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mastercole
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ATC
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We call it the same but in English we use turning roundhouse.
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ATC
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Yes, that is quite obvious, but I just wanted to know if anyone knew what this guys background was. Never see anyother art use that kick that way.
I've also heard it called 360 roundhouse, tornado kick, and autobahn. Never saw that kicker before though. I don't really follow all the names or personalities in the MMA world. I will say that I do have students who cross train in MMA and Gracie Jiujitsu, and I teach them kicks to use in their MMA matches. Our basic strategy for them is to teach them long roundhouse kick to the leg, which takes away face punching from their opponents. One or two of those full force leg kicks and they go for the take down, which is fine with us. But we take away the face punch because more knuckleheads can get lucky with that. We'll take our chances with kicking distance and ground game, since those require actual skill to be effective, at least from our perspective. Punching distance is take down distance for us.
ralphmcpherson
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The ufc do have a tendency to not credit tkd for anything, I dont know if its an agenda or what it is. It probably would upset the people who constantly go on about how "tkd doesnt work in mma", if they occasionally said something positive about tkd. As Ive said before, I was watching the ufc one night and I really liked the look of this fighter, he was exciting to watch and was just destroying his opponent. Before the fight they put up his "credentials" and from memory it said "bjj and muay thai". After the fight finished I did some research on the fighter and found out he was a black belt in tkd. Funny, no mention was made of his tkd background.
Cyriacus
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This is more significant of the gap in what some MMA Venues view as being MMA.
Muay Thai, BJJ, Boxing, Kickboxing, and Wrestling are almost always mentioned on most Fighters.
Karate, Taekwondo, Judo, Normal JJ, and CMA tend to be conveniently overlooked most of the time, unless its the Fighters Specialty.
This is not representative of all venues, but it cant be denied that it happens.
ralphmcpherson
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the ufc appeals to a certain audience, and a large proportion of that audience (not all) have a whole bunch of beliefs that they like to cling to, you only have to spend 5 minutes on some mma forums to see this. One of those beliefs is that the only arts that work in the 'octagon' are boxing, muay thai and bjj. These people dont want to hear any differently and the ufc caters for this. Unfortunately this belief is filtering into all sorts of mma gyms. Only recently a guy Ive trained with in tkd who is really good, went and started training at a mma gym and he said the negativity towards what they called 'traditional' arts was overwhelming. He ended up leaving because he was just sick and tired of hearing about how great muay thai and bjj were. Funny thing is that he was a muay thai guy years ago and started tkd to become more rounded. Basically you could be a 5th dan tkdist with 2 weeks of bjj under your belt and if you enter the ufc you will be classed as a "bjj fighter", unless of course you get owned, then you'll hear all about how "tkd doesnt work".
Micheal Page is a kickboxer who as he says comes from a freestyle karate background, he trains with London Shootfighters a very good gym who teach all round skills and produces good fighters. He would also have been told not to showboat like that, I know the coaches, they won't have been pleased. Karate, depending on style, does teach that kick, I've done it in Wado for years. In UK MMA as I've been telling people we tend to come from a TMA background rather than just go into MMA and learn a little.
The other guy shows why you shouldn't try to shoot when your opponent is going away from you but then it was his first fight, I'm sure he learnt from it.
The other guy shows why you shouldn't try to shoot when your opponent is going away from you but then it was his first fight, I'm sure he learnt from it.
We have plenty of fighters btw that acknowledge their TKD background, there's no conspiracy here at least. Rosi Sexton and Mark Weir are both from TKD and say so and have it announced by commentators here. I don'tknow what goes on in other countries but here at least we do tell peole what our background is, London Shoot have been around for years and are a respected and respectful gym.
http://www.londonshootfighters.com/
http://www.londonshootfighters.com/
ralphmcpherson
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thats why I was so surprised, Joe Rogan commentated the fight I spoke of and still he made no mention of tkd, and its definetly not the first time. Joe Rogan himself speaks quite negatively of tkd, so its no surprise.
The above bout was one of the prelim fights not on the main card, here's Michael fighting before his MMA bout.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZLUOOljRwo&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75rql4BIKfM&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZLUOOljRwo&feature=related
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Steve
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Rogan speaks no more negatively about the state of TKD than most of you. It's not an agenda on the part of the UFC. Itis systemic. I'm not a TKD guy, but I do read the threads here and elsewhere. You guys are divided at best. There's a schism, and the criticisms I've heard from rogan echo the criticism I see here all the time.
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Exactly. The UFC is a business, they want fighters who put bums on seats and cash in the till they aren't interested in a feud with any TMA let alone TKD, I've seen plenty of mentioned of TMA's including TKD, I watched Mark Weir in the first UFC that was held in the UK, much was made of his TKD background especially when he KO'd his opponent with a very nice kick, at the time it was the quickest KO in the UFC.
Steve
Mostly Harmless
Objectively, it shouldn't. But on a human level, it does. The point, though, that I believe is being lost, is that TKDists should care only if they intend to compete in MMA. And MMA cares for the same reason, should a TKDist perform well and create some positive interest for both sports.
There is no anti-TMA agenda in MMA. The readiness with which Shotokan Karate was accepted when Machida came on the scene is evidence of this. MMA, and the UFC is no exception, is about making money and filling seats, and if there's a TKD specialist who competes at a high level, he or she will be embraced and TKD gets a bump. We've seen this with Cung Le and San Shou. Hell, if a WC guy (a style that DOES get picked on regularly by MMA fans and athletes) actually got in the ring and consistently performed well against high caliber opponents, the sport would happily do an about face. It's not personal. It's money, and in sports, everyone has an opinion, even ignorant fans.
But what I see here are a bunch of guys who love TKD who are projecting their own internal conflicts and the political strife within your sport onto MMA, and the UFC specifically. Ralphmcpherson's comments are indicative of this through his rather negative portrayal of mma fans, the sport at large and the UFC.
Just my two cents.
