Surrogate sex partner inspires story, film

[granfire]

So you just need a prescripton, and referral from your primary care physician and your insurance will pay for your hookers. No wonder medical cost are thru the roof. Im sure they get paid by the hour for 2 min of work.

LOL, not everybody is THAT fast.
:lol:

But then again we have this strange disconnect from the S-E-X part of our lives...we need the therapeutical professional outlet.

 

[crushing]

So you just need a prescripton, and referral from your primary care physician and your insurance will pay for your hookers. No wonder medical cost are thru the roof. Im sure they get paid by the hour for 2 min of work.

Heck, my insurance has helped me pay for steroids and other drugs from my local drug dealer. A pharmacist is as much of a drug dealer as a sex therapist is a prostitute.

 

[Tez3]

So, how do disabled people have a sex life then or are they supposed to be celibate? perhaps people are uncomfortable with the idea that disabled people have sexual feelings and want to express them just like 'normal' people. Many 'normal' people would find having sex with someone who is disabled impossible because of their apprearance, condition etc so are disabled people supposed to just shut up and suppress their sexual feelings?
This lady provides a service for people who wouldn't otherwise be able to have a sex life, they have needs just like any of us would you deny them? Would you tell them to find a partner when it's clear their condition means they will never find one or be in the same type of loving relationships as we think we are entitled to?
Why cheapen what she does just because she charges a fee for it, there's good many other therapists out there who would charge more for far less good. I suspect it's that she's not ashamed of what she's doing and is open about it that disgusts many, sex should be seedy, unspoken, full of guilt not a wonderful thing in the manner she speaks of it, isn't that the way many see it?

 

[Steve]

Sounds like a Hooker to me. No different between her and the $2.00 crack head on the corner that meets you in the ally

You really don't see a difference? Huh. I mean, just off the top of my head, there's the crack addiction and the alley and everything these two things imply.

 

[granfire]

You really don't see a difference? Huh. I mean, just off the top of my head, there's the crack addiction and the alley and everything these two things imply.

The bill, probably, too...

 

[ballen0351]

You really don't see a difference? Huh. I mean, just off the top of my head, there's the crack addiction and the alley and everything these two things imply.

Nope paying for sex is paying for sex. Just because its a rich white woman doing it opposed to a poor crack head dose not make one better then the other. They are the same thing.

I personally have no objection to prostitution. However its not the romantic pretty woman story some people think. Many prostitutes are raped assaulted exploited. Id rather see something like in nevada with licensed brothels with security and medical check ups then people on the street hustling

 

[granfire]

Nope paying for sex is paying for sex. Just because its a rich white woman doing it opposed to a poor crack head dose not make one better then the other. They are the same thing.

I personally have no objection to prostitution. However its not the romantic pretty woman story some people think. Many prostitutes are raped assaulted exploited. Id rather see something like in nevada with licensed brothels with security and medical check ups then people on the street hustling

But according to your logic the person getting a script from a doctor for Loraset or Oxicodin is just as bad as the person getting it on the street...

 

[Makalakumu]

Nope paying for sex is paying for sex. Just because its a rich white woman doing it opposed to a poor crack head dose not make one better then the other. They are the same thing.

I personally have no objection to prostitution. However its not the romantic pretty woman story some people think. Many prostitutes are raped assaulted exploited. Id rather see something like in nevada with licensed brothels with security and medical check ups then people on the street hustling

Great post. When we drive a market underground several things happen:

1. The people involved cannot get help if they get in trouble because it's illegal. The illegality of the situation creates a trap that's difficult to escape from
2. The people who get involved in the market are willing to break the law. This leads to the market being dominated by professional lawbreakers.

Organized crime runs brothels because people like those mentioned in the OP cannot. There's no doubt in my mind that a service like this would benefit people and would make money. It's a shame that the industry is illegal that we let shady characters take it to the basest level.

 

[Steve]

Nope paying for sex is paying for sex. Just because its a rich white woman doing it opposed to a poor crack head dose not make one better then the other. They are the same thing.

I personally have no objection to prostitution. However its not the romantic pretty woman story some people think. Many prostitutes are raped assaulted exploited. Id rather see something like in nevada with licensed brothels with security and medical check ups then people on the street hustling

Paying for sex is the only thing the two have in common. Do you understand what the word "different" means?

That you're distinguishing between the licensed brothels in Nevada and street hustling makes it clear to me that you do see the difference. In this one short post, you're arguing two opposing positions.

 

[Steve]

Great post. When we drive a market underground several things happen:

1. The people involved cannot get help if they get in trouble because it's illegal. The illegality of the situation creates a trap that's difficult to escape from
2. The people who get involved in the market are willing to break the law. This leads to the market being dominated by professional lawbreakers.

Organized crime runs brothels because people like those mentioned in the OP cannot. There's no doubt in my mind that a service like this would benefit people and would make money. It's a shame that the industry is illegal that we let shady characters take it to the basest level.

I agree with this completely, but this isn't what I took away from ballen's post. It seems to me that when he says,

"Nope paying for sex is paying for sex. Just because its a rich white woman doing it opposed to a poor crack head dose not make one better then the other. They are the same thing.

or

Sounds like a Hooker to me. No different between her and the $2.00 crack head on the corner that meets you in the ally

that he's intentionally failing to acknowledge the benefits of decriminalizing the trade, bringing it out of the alleys, imposing regulations and some degree of oversight.

 

[ballen0351]

But according to your logic the person getting a script from a doctor for Loraset or Oxicodin is just as bad as the person getting it on the street...

No not at all.
Those drugs are controlled and you need to possess a valid Prescription to buy them. The people that sell them must be licensed to sell them. Both of which are not present in street level narcotics transactions.
Picking up the phone and calling or driving around looking for a prostitute no matter what fancy name she uses escort, surrogate, companion is illegal in most states. Just like street level Narcotics sales.

 

[Steve]

Are you suggesting that we decriminalize drugs?


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[ballen0351]

Paying for sex is the only thing the two have in common. Do you understand what the word "different" means?

The paying part is what makes it the same. Its what makes it illegal.

That you're distinguishing between the licensed brothels in Nevada and street hustling makes it clear to me that you do see the difference. In this one short post, you're arguing two opposing positions.

No Im arguing that one is legal and one is not. Im not up on the laws in California but Im pretty sure paying for sex is illegal per California Penal Code 647(b)

Ive already said in a perfect world where the woman is basically a small business ower of her own body then I have no problem with Prostitution. Its the reality of abuse, rape, runaway minors, explotation of drug addicted woman, kidnapping of woman in other countries and shipped to the US as sex slaves, and spread of disease that I am against.

 

[ballen0351]

It seems to me that when he says, orthat he's intentionally failing to acknowledge the benefits of decriminalizing the trade, bringing it out of the alleys, imposing regulations and some degree of oversight.

The 1st question asked was who is a surrogate legal and a prostitute not. I answered they are not they are both illegal in my opinion. I wasnt commenting on my personal beliefs on prostitution. I was commenting on my understanding of the law itself.
Then I stated my personal belief on prostitution is that in theroy its not a bad thing however in reality its not as innocent as people tend to believe. Ive seen the dark side of it and its very very bad. Ive talked to woman kidnapped from el salvadore shipped up to the US and put in houses forced to have sex 10 to 20 times a day for months under threat of death. Making it legal wont change that. It will just make it harder to find out about.

 

[ballen0351]

Are you suggesting that we decriminalize drugs?


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Nope not at all. I was giving my answer to whats the difference between a CVS and a drug dealer.

 

[Josh Oakley]

The 1st question asked was who is a surrogate legal and a prostitute not. I answered they are not they are both illegal in my opinion. I wasnt commenting on my personal beliefs on prostitution. I was commenting on my understanding of the law itself.
Then I stated my personal belief on prostitution is that in theroy its not a bad thing however in reality its not as innocent as people tend to believe. Ive seen the dark side of it and its very very bad. Ive talked to woman kidnapped from el salvadore shipped up to the US and put in houses forced to have sex 10 to 20 times a day for months under threat of death. Making it legal wont change that. It will just make it harder to find out about.

You missed that 2nd part. Making it legal AND regulating it. It would NOT make it harder to find out about. In fact, based on basic economics, you would likely decrease consumption of illegal sex service, as the average customer is risk averse. Given a choice between the legal, tested, licensed sex worker, and the illegal, untested, unlicensed sex worker, the AVERAGE consumer will likely choose the former.

There will still be a black market, just as there is a black market for just about everything. However, that black market would decrease based on legality providing the comparative advantage of safety, relative to the existing black market.


Now, in the USA, the best example we have of this is alcohol. Compared to the 20's, the black market for alcohol is almost non-existent, due to plentiful availability of legal alcohol will almost certainly not make you blind. But in the 20's, the opposite. And I've seen studies that alcohol consumption actually decreased when prohibition was lifted (though I understand that especially when it comes to illegal consumption, statistics are shakey).

 

[Tez3]

I have to love this, you guys have side stepped the issues this story brings up and gone straight to the sleaze.

 

[Makalakumu]

I wouldn't want the government to regulate hookers. Let private agencies compete to create a gold standard.

 

[Josh Oakley]

Tez, you're right. We got off topic. I say there is definitely some real benefit to this type of therapy.

 

[ballen0351]

So it goes back to the original question. Just because she claims to be treating a paitent it makes her not a prostitute but a woman at a high price escourt service or a street walker at a truck stop that does the same thing is? What would you think if your spouse was seeing a sexual surrogate with out your knowledge? Oh no honey I wasn't cheating she's a doctor. We were having sex but as therapy not pleasure. I didn't tell you because I was embarrassed. I can hear Tiger woods now. No wonder he got cracked with a golf club.