Here, i do not think that your interpretation of the thread's meaning is valid within the question. Please do not take this statement as a punch, stab, etc below the belt. It is only intended to prove the point of validity of there being a better style or workout! Physical work is just what it is. This does not matter what workout or what type of workout it is. Yet, physical workout with martial knowledge, which develops martial skills, which in turn develops martial combat applications is another story. It is these 3 elements which turn the workout into physical applications. The weight lifter develops strength, power, and muscle mass, but not at the rate of the body builder. Both can kick and punch, throw and choke or strangle. But they both cannot apply this knowledge as skills to execute against a formidable street opponent. Even black belts lie in the streets every day defeated because of lack of the application of the prior 3 elements mentioned. Workout is not power, "Knowledge, in this case 'Martial Knowledge' Is Power"! It is well known within the martial arts community by both karateka, akidoka, jujutsuka, judoka, kungfuka and the like, that no style is superior in the martial arts. That is why there are so many styles to choose from. One can blend into their respective motion dynamic to create a personal fighting style which would best fit their needs in violent confrontation. Yet, even this personal style must have the prior 3 elements to be effective. This brings to mind the "workout" to which you are referring; say not including stretching, yet when kicking time comes in the confrontation, the stylist dislocates his/her knee joint trying to survive the violent attack! What if it does not include elbow training? The stylist attempts to break the attacker's clavicle and throws his/her shoulder out of joint in the process. So, there is no ultimate workout; just the basics and better knowledge of the basics combined with the elements of knowledge, skills and application. There are many effective styles and workouts, yet no ultimate or superior of each. I will leave this conversation with a quote from Soke William Durbin of Kiyojute Ryu Kempo Bugei on Kaiko- Keiko "The Secret Of Mastery"; 'Review & Practice': "Kaiko means Review and literally means 'to look back on' and it is this quality that makes the difference between a true Master of the martial arts and a person who plays at the martial arts". Keiko means Practice or learning to apply better the skills attained through the review of martial knowledge. " True Masters are those who spend a great deal of time working on the basics". Therefore, it is very safe to assume that all intermediate skills (and their respective levels), advanced skills and their application (effectiveness(of style thru workout)) are derived from the basics!
The basics, being punching, kicking, throwing, blocking, striking, kata, forms etc,. Each will reveal a new way of execution within several given situations. I will use a kicking example; from the front kick comes the snapping toe, and heel kicks, the thrusting toe and heel kicks, the scooping toe and instep kicking, and the cresent & roundhouse kicking motions. Now lets add the left leg in a stepping motion away from an attempted left hand strike, combined with a left hand outside blocking motion by you to counterstrike with the right hand to the attacker's ribs. As the outside block is executed and contact is made, turn-in with the left stepping leg and while stepping forward with the right leg, use a high stepping motion. As the right leg steps into the attacker the foot is turned into an inverted side kick position (or backwards side kick, right heel facing inside of your left knee), and produces a high front thrusting stomp kick to the attacker's left knee just as the right hammer fist to his ribs/kidney area makes contact. Now this right leg can even slide off the knee to the rear position (or contour down the left leg to crush the left angle also, before sliding off) behind the attacker's left leg to set-up a right elbow to the neck, wing (foream opening) spreading throw over the right rear positioned leg. So, from the basic outside block combined with the left leg stepping away from the attack, rather than into the attack first helped position the body for a newer kicking motion which resulted as an inverted reverse side thrusting stomp kick, which in turn developed into a very reasonable basic throwing finish for the escape. This basic inverted kick is used typically as an abdominal front thrusting kick in tournament fighting. The street fighting adjustment is all in the defensive stepping body positioning.
Your answer in a nut shell was
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Really wow! I'm sorry to sound condisending but this the most basic of concepts, yet with the tone of your posts it seams you think you are disspensing somekind of wissdom.
Are you kidding? One, a bodybuilder gains size faster than a weight lifter not strenght and power.If this were not so, them some BB would win gold in the olympics every four years.Can you really think there are BB's with the strenght of Vasilev, Hamond and the like? Two, who cares? I thought we were talking MA.
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You say stlye makes the fighter, yet read your own words above.If there is no superior stlye ( I agree!), them what seperates the average trainee from the cream of the crop? Could it be intensity, duration ,frequency and length of time spent practissing? I have no need of another page of your "Intro to MA 101" Please don't spend time going over the intricacies of " 36 kinds of elbow stricks" or some other equally mundane discourse.
I still mantain that his life time of qulity trainig in his art produced his end result.If the system itself made him great , wouldn't it have made everyone who pursued it great? Shouldn't all exponents of Taiji (hope this is his art, I'm not familiar) have his skill? I'm not trying to argue here, but can you appreciate my point? :asian:
I took "workout" to mean the effort or intensity of training in the particular style. I didn't consider that hand2hand would think that general "conditioning" could possibly be more important than learning correct form.:asian:
Fissure, who or whatever you are does not bother or concern me a bit. The comment that i made was to sweeper and not you! This was an A&B conservation. Now as far as you claiming my explaination to sweeper was suppose to be a course. This is how martial artists discuss specific's and not generalities! Your bias attitude of a post that has nothing to do with you tells me about yourself as a person with no understanding of self. Since you do not have a site to show your credentials and your understanding of even your own art. Please stay out of other peoples conversations which you have no knowledge of! If you get mad at this statement; you are right where you need to be!
