Street guys. Please give direct technical answers.

[drop bear]

Block, then hit is a lower tier skill (physics wise) than simultaneous defense and offense. An even higher tier is to, given the space,

Not really. Not all the time. So one example would be blocking and then countering with the same hand.

Which if done right gives you an open track to their head before they can recover. While still allowing your other hand to do stuff.

Simultaneous defence and offensive sounds cool. But if you add defensive movement in to fighting you are taking away a hand to block that could be used for punching.

(I will still do it. But off single strikes. Parry counter jab, simultaneous blocking and striking is amazing. Fightingout of the pocket. Not so much. )

 

[drop bear]

There may be less concern about trading attacks to score points.

I would have said that was more prevalent in the 2nd and 3rd rounds where he started to pressure fight.

Which is fine. But it is more risk. Even his comments were high risk high reward.

 

[drop bear]

Same question, Where in this video can you say, per physics, it’s better for him to block first then punch?

Ok. Every time someone got punched in the head.

They were better off blocking that.

 

[marvin8]

Ok. Every time someone got punched in the head.

They were better off blocking that.

No, I am asking about the boxer and multiple KOs in the street video. No one "got punched in the head." I've asked at least 3 times without an answer. Your answer may answer your own comments and make the discussion more clear...

From the video in my post #132, the boxer KOs multiple attackers in the street.

The boxer…

1. pendulum steps back to a safe distance.
2. steps back with the lead foot then forward with it (stutter step, deception, pressure).
3. then as the attacker’s feet are together, he enters the pocket with a leaping lead hook KOs him and exits stepping back at an angle.
4. faces the second attacker, throws the rear straight as the opponent is on one leg trying to kick him and KOs him.

Same question, Where in this video can you say, per physics, it’s better for him to block first then punch?

https://imgur.com/WMrZLWG

 

[marvin8]

Simultaneous defence and offensive sounds cool. But if you add defensive movement in to fighting you are taking away a hand to block that could be used for punching.

(I will still do it. But off single strikes. Parry counter jab, simultaneous blocking and striking is amazing. Fightingout of the pocket. Not so much. )

No. Jeff and Micah both slip and punch (which is simultaneous defense and offense) more often than they block in your video.

 

[drop bear]

No. Jeff and Micah both slip and punch (which is simultaneous defense and offense) more often than they block in your video.

Well yeah. Because you have to have a bunch of stuff in place to block effectively.

 

[drop bear]

No, I am asking about the boxer and multiple KOs in the street video. No one "got punched in the head." I've asked at least 3 times without an answer. Your answer may answer your own comments and make the discussion more clear...

He didn't block because he didn't block.

At no stage is blocking the only option.

This leads back to my point. Where people say In the street this thing happens (shows video) And so therefore this training methodology works.

I don't think it is a great basis for your self defence

 

[marvin8]

He didn't block because he didn't block.

At no stage is blocking the only option.

That's not an answer to the question asked, “Where in this video can you say, per physics, it’s better for him to block first then punch?”

You did not explain how blocking would get better results in the boxer street video and is "higher tier."

This leads back to my point. Where people say In the street this thing happens (shows video) And so therefore this training methodology works.

I don't think it is a great basis for your self defence

It’s an example of boxing training methodology working in the street and against multiple attackers resulting in 2 KOs.

 

[drop bear]

That's not an answer to the question asked, “Where in this video can you say, per physics, it’s better for him to block first then punch?”

You did not explain how blocking would get better results in the boxer street video and is "higher tier

You can't say it is better or worse for him to block in that video if he didn't block in that video.

If he did block in that video we could make an assessment of how well that blocking went.

But he didn't.

So we can't.

A higher tier as in harder to do.

 

[drop bear]

It’s an example of boxing training methodology working in the street and against multiple attackers resulting in 2 KOs.

That isn't the case you are making though.

You are trying to make the case against blocking by presenting something else working.

Do I have to find a video of a street fight with no punches thrown to discredit boxing methodology?

Cos that would be silly.

 

[marvin8]

That isn't the case you are making though.

You are trying to make the case against blocking by presenting something else working.

Do I have to find a video of a street fight with no punches thrown to discredit boxing methodology?

Cos that would be silly.

In your evasive, tricky video at 1:38, Micah carriage blocks and throws a rear cross at Jeff. How is this blocking a higher tier than my boxing video sequence?

 

[drop bear]

In your evasive, tricky video at 1:38, Micah carriage blocks and throws a rear cross at Jeff. How is this blocking a higher tier than my boxing video sequence?

It is harder to time well

 

[marvin8]

It is harder to time well

It’s harder for who to time what well?