Rapper: Blacks 'cheered when 9-11 happened'

[Brother John]

Hi Brother John,
No, no, no Freudian....Light, as in sunshine, not dark, not dank, not overburdened...I think that is what was floating around at the time....
I guess you are reading into something I said, that I did not say. I said I agree and disagree with you, talked about some other reasons...
Yes, you will see the true hard core case more if that is the work you do.
If you are talking in that vein of course, you will see the person who has finally arrived at your door, messed up to the max.
I did not mean to imply that your opinion was something I want to impugn.
I replied....with innerfeelings (truth/honest)You used the name of Jesus Christ...I was at a seminar this weekend they did that also, I am not around that many Dojo's that do that.
Also probably if you were called on the witness stand you would be classified as an expert in your field.
But I think you are seeing to much of the one type, if that is where you want to place all of your blame. IMO
As I read and, have read your posts, I notice you are very passoniate in most of your replys, or post's, even when playing around with the Penguins...
Combative is another way to look at it...Thats fine, I have now seen it and understand you more...I guess I have not read enough of your posts, for I don't remember you talking about your religion on prior occasion.
Some people throw the name around a lot, others don't. I have been told by numerous persons that by being an Agnostic, it is like being Lucefer.
Some look at Lucefer as light, Morning star, others look at it as Satan or the Archangel. Or the fact that I am doing the devils work...Right...
Since you brought it up and I am trying to understand where you are coming from, do you bring up Jesus Christ when you are doing interview's and try to convert?
Have them see the right way through the way of the New Testament?
Do you have pictures and sayings by him or about him in your office???
Just trying to get a little more insight.
Regards, Gary

Hey Gary-
Maybe I have read something else into what you were saying, could be.
I don't mean to jump down your throat man. Empassioned? That I don't mind being. Combative? I blame the key-board. For some reason I'm quite MELOW in person but come across as high-strung some times on the internet. So be it.

I do see some pretty hardcore cases, working with a couple of 'bloods' as of late that I'm very concerned about. But I don't get so jaded as to think that these kids are normative. They aren't. That's true. But I thought that what I was speaking to is the negative influences that effect todays teens...and that's something that I have to swim through daily. You are right that I need to try to have more contact with more normative teens who've not been harmed by lack of care or otherwise. That's something that the dojo is good for.

Me as a Christian.
No, I don't throw the name "Jesus Christ" around like some kind of cure-all. I used it in the context that I did because I was sitting there thinking of what to type about "the greatest gift I was ever given" and I had to be intellectually honest...I see God's gift in Christ as the greatest gift I've ever been given. Truth be told...that statement stands out because most christians don't dare to say the name of Jesus very often at all. Not outside the walls of a church. Me? I don't over use it, no need. But when it's the truth, as in this case, I'm not ashamed.I don't have any pictures around, no quotes, no inspirational...stuff and I'll only talk to a youth about my religious beliefs if THEY bring the subject up. I pray for the kids I work with, a lot. That's an important thing to me. I don't try to convert anyone ever, I try to be a positive influence through my behavior. IF they want to know what I believe, the external of what I believe, they'll have to ask and watch. If they want to know deeper.... they'll have to BE me.

My personal beliefs are very private and don't exactly fall in line with any one particular denominations. In fact, even at my own church...if my true beliefs were voiced, I'd probably get cries of "Heretic"...but that's OK. I don't need others to agree.

I respect your choice of being agnostic. Knowing that you don't know is an important thing to realize. It's a starting point. Shame is that all too many agnostics don't see it like that but as an excuse to NOT seek, to not explore the area of spirit and the infinite. A stasis point. Too bad, because otherwise it's a great place to start to construct your own beliefs, a foundation. ((just my thoughts))

Take it easy Gary...
Sorry for the tremendous side-line away from the topic guys.

Your Brother
John

 

[loki09789]

Pearl Harbor was the act of a sovereign nation in its agressive acts to move forward and gain more natural resources for its culture and economy. Now, Pearl did not have the resources, the USA does. Both San Deigo for it's port and San Franciso for its wealth and locations were also choices that teh Japanese wanted. Some of the top admirals also wanted to hit Pearl Harbor in the U.S. territory of Hawai'i and then roll onto the San Deigo and take out all West Coast Port manufacturing facilities and create a place to launch land base attacks from.


9/11/2001 assault on the Twin Towers in NY, and the Pentagon, as well as the downed airplane, were terrorist attacks by individuals and groups with no clear sovereign nation behind them flying a flag.

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The strategic/military differences are clear.

Pearl Harbor: Strategic target intended as a 'one stop shopping center' to break the back of the US Pacific Naval power by the Japanese as a pre-emptive "Shhhh" because they were assuming that we would enter the war and pose a dreict threat.

9/11: Shock and awe/fear/Terror goals with no clear MILITARY (meaning as a part of a uniformed/nationed military campaign) strategy but a clear TERRORIST strategy of attacking non combatives...for what purpose or motive?

Now, you can compare the post traumatic stress on a national level the occured after both attacks - even with the differences - because both incidents were precursors to the US becoming entrenched in wars

(I KNOW that Iraq has no clear link to 9/11! I am referring to being in a state of war NOT which war/who's war/right war....whether Afg or Iraq).

The thing to remember is that during these states of war, fear and precautionary measures are normal (not right but normal). Even the women's sufferage movement was considered "traitorous" or "treasonous" by some during WWI. Socialism/Communism in America (which was a powerful influence on the Labor movement and work place quality/safety/wage improvement) became the 'demon' of the day.

During WWII, we all know about the Internment camps. What was harder to talk about was simple actions like the way the pledge use to be done in schools before the NAZI "Zieg Heil!" gesture was associated with Hitler and his movement....we use to put our hand on our hearts "I pledge allegiance"...then use the Roman/Nazi style palm facing/straight arm gesture toward the flag "to the flag of ....." but NOT NO MORE>>>

During WWII anything overtly Germanic in the UK was either 'reinvented' or simply renamed....

In the end, regardless of what my political affiliation, religious preference or skin color.... I would LIKE to think that we could all come together and 'clear the rubble' (metaphorically and literally) side by side in the face of this kind of tragedy - putting aside the 'individualistic agendas' because of the immediate 'team need.' Obviously, KRS thinks otherwise.

 

[Bob Hubbard]

To cheer whenever a life is lost is a shame.
To cheer when so many are lost is a crime.
The spear in the other's heart is the spear in your own: you are he.

 

[loki09789]

To cheer whenever a life is lost is a shame.
To cheer when so many are lost is a crime.
The spear in the other's heart is the spear in your own: you are he.

Kudos Bob. I would change the first to 'cheer because a life is lost...' personally, because I might be cheering because I survived not because the other did not.

 

[GAB]

Hi Brother John,

Yes we did get off topic, but no one seems to mind, they are on it. Reminds me of college when I was younger, you get out of the class room and no one wants to talk about the subject.
Thanks for your thoughts and concerns, I am doing just fine, I have seen some ugly stuff and still remain positive, through correct thought and reality, what happens to me or my remains will remain to be seen...

Back to the Rappers.
When I saw the planes hit the towers on TV, I thought they are not hitting the US but the World Towers. I felt that it would bring the nations together and get rid of these Terrorists for all.
Boy was I wrong....

As the story unfolded, I felt they were doing the wrong thing running into a building that is so high and not seeing the whole picture for that brief time.
I believe the training was such that they did not have the correct thought.

I said that at the time, my wife and I were in disagreement. Then the towers imploded, and the rest is history.

I am sure that lots of people were cheering, I have no doubts, we are loved and hated by lots of people. I would say if you don't know that and understand, the lothing that is in other countries for what we have done, then you need to read more current events and history books.

I see it from both sides because, I have not succumbed to the rigors of religious right. Therefore I have a different picture in my minds eye.

Secularism is what we should be fighting for at this time in history.
Getting along in the workplace seems like the thing that needs to be worked on. Male-female relations need some help.

If there was another land to conquer and pollute, and the countries slogan was, "secularism is a pledge you have to take", it would be over crowded very soon.

My thoughts, Regards, Gary