Nebuchadnezzar
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But once you go to the ground in that situation, the others are going to join in. Better to not be there in the first place.
Ponder this: Has Wrestling and MMA made the traditional martial arts obsolete?
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But once you go to the ground in that situation, the others are going to join in. Better to not be there in the first place.
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You can not plausibly keep from going to the ground without time spent with people trying to take you to the ground and hold dominant position. This is called wrestling.
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It is a venue where martial artist compete however.
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Combat is one whole organism. All of the ways listed are just pieces of it. They all need to be addressed in training if one is truly to be well rounded.
Try watching non American MMA! You will see the attraction then.
Get the Russian cage fighting DVDs, plus the UK Cagewarriors, Cage Rage, UK1, Pride & Glory etc. You can get them all online.
Personally I don't call it an art but it is made up of the skilful use of several arts.
The UFC maybe American but it's not the be all and end all of MMA.
So jujitsu is not an art?
Guess not lol! This is turning into yet another TMA v MMA argument...yawn yawn!
Like or loathe it, MMA is enjoyed by many so why slag it off? Can we get back to a reasonable discussion please?
It's clear you don't train MMA and don't appreciate it so why do you actually watch it? It's very easy to criticise fighters, Trust me, whatever you think it takes guts to get into the ring/cage. Do it at least once then your opinion will be a valid one. Insulting other arts is never an attractive thing to see whereas interesting and informed discussion - it doesn't have to be agreement, is always a welcome thing.
megat is of course right. Impossible to do MMA without TMA knowledge
As I believe rich said over the years many arts have held the spotlight for a brief moment only to be replaced a few years later by some other art as "the one to study".
As for MMA making traditional arts obsolete I do not see it happening. There is just way to much that can be learned from the traditional arts , some of which can be used in MMA, but much of which can not because of the RULES in MMA
As for MMA making traditional arts obsolete I do not see it happening. There is just way to much that can be learned from the traditional arts , some of which can be used in MMA, but much of which can not because of the RULES in MMA
Krieger,
Go spend a couple years training Judo (Kosen or a Kodokan Dojo that places a decent emphasis on ne waza), Wrestling, Brazillian Jiu Jiitsu or Japanese Ju Jutsu (again in a dojo that does Ne Waza) and then tell me that ground fighting is 'boring' or not an art.
I would actually argue that MMA in and of itself is becoming an art. In the past it was a forum for people of various styles to test themselves within a certain ruleset. But as most would agree, the average competitor has changed and as a result MMA has changed so that it is a unique entity and not just an eclectic blending of various styles.
It will continue to grow and evolve I'm sure, but it's well on its way to becoming it's own art / style.
To all the naysayers who are going to jump in and say that it's just a sport and not an art I would argue that by that logic then Judo or any other competetive representation of TMA isn't an art.
Two things on this -
First, the skillful competition between combatants in any discipline (Karate, Kung Fu, Judo, Ju Jutsu, MMA whatever) can in and of itself be an art or a part of the broader art.
Second, there are more people training MMA that will never step foot in a ring or octagon then those that pursue it for competitive / professional purposes. Just because one CAN compete in MMA doesn't mean one HAS to.
There is as much to be gained from MMA as TMA (I would argue that for both in order to get the maximum benefit of physical, mental and emotional / spiritual you need the right environment, the right instructor, etc but BOTH can lead to growth in an individual in all of these areas.
Go spend a couple years training Judo (Kosen or a Kodokan Dojo that places a decent emphasis on ne waza), Wrestling, Brazillian Jiu Jiitsu or Japanese Ju Jutsu (again in a dojo that does Ne Waza) and then tell me that ground fighting is 'boring' or not an art.
I would actually argue that MMA in and of itself is becoming an art. In the past it was a forum for people of various styles to test themselves within a certain ruleset. But as most would agree, the average competitor has changed and as a result MMA has changed so that it is a unique entity and not just an eclectic blending of various styles.
It will continue to grow and evolve I'm sure, but it's well on its way to becoming it's own art / style.
To all the naysayers who are going to jump in and say that it's just a sport and not an art I would argue that by that logic then Judo or any other competetive representation of TMA isn't an art.
Two things on this -
First, the skillful competition between combatants in any discipline (Karate, Kung Fu, Judo, Ju Jutsu, MMA whatever) can in and of itself be an art or a part of the broader art.
Second, there are more people training MMA that will never step foot in a ring or octagon then those that pursue it for competitive / professional purposes. Just because one CAN compete in MMA doesn't mean one HAS to.
There is as much to be gained from MMA as TMA (I would argue that for both in order to get the maximum benefit of physical, mental and emotional / spiritual you need the right environment, the right instructor, etc but BOTH can lead to growth in an individual in all of these areas.
Excellent post, I can't add anything to it, says it all.
