Olympics and average age in TKD

[terryl965]

I was just on the WTF website seems like the average age of a TKD fighter in the mens division is 27 years and 9 months while the female dividion is only 25 years and 3 months. Why do we here in America try to send younger fighters, would we not be better off sending more season fighters like other countries?

 

[chrispillertkd]

I don't know much about the Olympic selection process for Taekwondo but isn't it dependent on winning qualifying events? Maybe the people winning those tournaments are just younger in the U.S. than in other countries?

Pax,

Chris

 

[terryl965]

I don't know much about the Olympic selection process for Taekwondo but isn't it dependent on winning qualifying events? Maybe the people winning those tournaments are just younger in the U.S. than in other countries?

Pax,



Chris

Well know since they have the new process, we may see older and much more experience fighters. Since so many parents of 15-17 years old probabaly cannot afford to send them to international events. I was just looking at overall age and porformance of said athletes. Seem like the more season fighters are winning the Olympics.

 

[Jaeimseu]

I was just on the WTF website seems like the average age of a TKD fighter in the mens division is 27 years and 9 months while the female dividion is only 25 years and 3 months. Why do we here in America try to send younger fighters, would we not be better off sending more season fighters like other countries?

The average age of the last US Olympic TKD Team was about 27 years old. Only one member of the team was under 25.

Sent from my SHV-E210K using Tapatalk 2

 

[Archtkd]

I was just on the WTF website seems like the average age of a TKD fighter in the mens division is 27 years and 9 months while the female dividion is only 25 years and 3 months. Why do we here in America try to send younger fighters, would we not be better off sending more season fighters like other countries?

Are you talking about winners or participants? That average age seems high whatever the case, and I'm not sure about the WTF stats you are looking at. If you list current topped WTF fighters in each weight class you will see lower ages. Actually which male is currently ranked No. 1 and is 27 and up, and which female is 25 and up?

 

[terryl965]

Are you talking about winners or participants? That average age seems high whatever the case, and I'm not sure about the WTF stats you are looking at. If you list current topped WTF fighters in each weight class you will see lower ages. Actually which male is currently ranked No. 1 and is 27 and up, and which female is 25 and up?

Ok here is the top five on the WTF site in the under 68 catagory

Servet age 25 born 88
Mohammed 27 born 86
Gomez 26 born 87
Asbaghikhaghah no info but he says he is 28
Dieye 33 born 80

The average age of those top five are above 27 years old, if you go by each weight catagory the averge holds true.

 

[WaterGal]

I was just on the WTF website seems like the average age of a TKD fighter in the mens division is 27 years and 9 months while the female dividion is only 25 years and 3 months. Why do we here in America try to send younger fighters, would we not be better off sending more season fighters like other countries?

I've heard that a lot of other countries pay their Olympic athletes, so they can train full-time, while in the US we don't and our athletes rely on corporate sponsorships or family support or have to work. Do you know if that's true?

If so, that may explain why our athletes are so young. I would think a teenager is much more likely to have parental financial support compared with a 27-year old. I bet the seasoned fighters here probably spend most of their time working rather than training.

 

[StudentCarl]

I was just on the WTF website seems like the average age of a TKD fighter in the mens division is 27 years and 9 months while the female dividion is only 25 years and 3 months. Why do we here in America try to send younger fighters, would we not be better off sending more season fighters like other countries?

Hi Terry,
What makes you think we are trying to send younger fighters? What are you basing that on?
Best wishes,
Carl


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD

 

[terryl965]

Hi Terry,
What makes you think we are trying to send younger fighters? What are you basing that on?
Best wishes,
Carl



Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD

Carl look what USAT is looking for in the future, right now our top fighters are between the age of 16-21. That is based off of talking to our coaches and the list they put together.

 

[Archtkd]

Ok here is the top five on the WTF site in the under 68 catagory

Servet age 25 born 88
Mohammed 27 born 86
Gomez 26 born 87
Asbaghikhaghah no info but he says he is 28
Dieye 33 born 80

The average age of those top five are above 27 years old, if you go by each weight catagory the averge holds true.

That division, might have the oldest average. Do yo have a breakdown of all - here's just a few other divisions I sampled:

Men – Over 87kg
Anthony Obame, Gabon, Sept. 10, 1988, Age 25
Robelis Desplaines Saquet, Cuba, Sept. 9, 1988, Age 25
Leonardo Basile, Italy, May 12, , 1983, Age, 30
Dongmin Cha, Korea, Aug. 25, 1986, 27
Ivan Trajkovi, Sept. 1, 1991, 22
Average Age – 25.8

Women – Over 73kg
Anne-Caroline Graff, France, Feb. 2, 1986, 27, Age 27
Olga Ivanova, Russia, March 23, 1993, Age 20
Briseida Acosta, Mexico, Aug. 30, 1993, Age 20
Rosana Simon. Spain, July 11, 1989, Age 26
Milica Mandic, Serbia, Dec 6, 1991, Age 21
Average Age 22.8

Men Under 80kg
Ramin Azizov, Azerbaijan, Feb 8, 1988, Age 25
Tahir Gulec, Germany, Feb. 25, 1993, Age 20
Nicolas Garcia Hemme, Spain, June 20, 1988, Age 25
Aaron Cook, Feb 2, United Kingdom, 1991 Age 22
Sebastian Chris Manich, Argentina, Oct. 30, 1986, 26
Average Age 23.5

Women Under 67kg
Haby Niare, France, June 26, 1993, Age 20
Seham El Sawalhy, Egypt, April 14, 1991, Age 22
Nur Tatar, Turkey, Aug. 16, 1992, Age 21
Kyungseung Hwang, Korea, March 21, 1986, Age 27
Farida Azivova, Azabaijan, June 6, 1995, Age 18
Average: 21.6

 

[StudentCarl]

It seems to me that our trials process rewards experience and consistency. I do think it's relevant that we don't subsidize our athletes to the extent other countries do, so it takes longer to rise to the top internationally. My only guess is that it takes significant international experience to be competitive at that level and there is an effort afoot to increase the pool of American athletes with that level of experience. I don't mind building up the younger athletes, but getting past the 25+ yr old athletes in trials is never automatic. Maturity and experience, as you point out in your worldwide data, usually win out.


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD

 

[Archtkd]

Ok here is the top five on the WTF site in the under 68 catagory

Servet age 25 born 88
Mohammed 27 born 86
Gomez 26 born 87
Asbaghikhaghah no info but he says he is 28
Dieye 33 born 80

The average age of those top five are above 27 years old, if you go by each weight catagory the averge holds true.

Stats can be interesting and contradictory. Looking at it another way -- based on current WTF world top ranking in all 8 divisions at the World Championships) The avergae age of the No. 1 in men's is 22.75 and the olderst No. 1 is 25. In the women's average is – 22.3 and the oldest – No. 1 is 27. (This is my math -- please correct if I am wrong)

Men – Over 87kg
Anthony Obame, Gabon, Sept. 10, 1988, Age 25
Men – Under 87kg
Rafaeel Castillo, Cuba, Aug 12, 1993, Age 20
Men – Under 80kg
Ramin Azizov, Azerbaijan, Feb 8, 1988, Age 25
Men Under 74kg
Uriel Avigdor Adriano Ruiz, Mexico April 30, 1990, Age 23
Men Under 63
Lee Dae Hoon, Korea, Feb 5, 1992, Age 21
Men Under 68kg
Servet Tazegul, Turkey, sept. 26, 1988 , 25
Men Under 54 Kg
Taihun Kim, Korea, June 2, 1994, Age 19
Men Under 58
Joel Ginzalez Bonilla, Sept 30, 1989, Age 24

Average Age of All Top in Men’s Division 22.75
Oldest 25

Women – Over 73kg
Anne-Caroline Graff, France, Feb. 2, 1986, 27, Age 27
Women – Under 73Kg
Glenhis Hernandez, Cuba, Oct. 7, 1990, Age 23
Women – Under 67kg
Haby Niare, France, June 26, 1993, Age 20
Women – Under 62kg
Carmen Marton, Australia June 30 1986, Age 27
Women – Under 57kg
Yuzhou Hou, Korea, Jan 29, 1994, Age 19
Women Under 53
Yujin Kim, Korea, April 13, 1991, Age 22
Women Under 49kg
Chanatip Sonkam. Thailand. March 1, 1991, Age 22
Women Under 46kg
Sohui Kim, Korea Jan 29, 1994, Age 19,

Average Age – All Womens Divisions – 22.3
Oldest – 27
　

 

[terryl965]

It seems to me that our trials process rewards experience and consistency. I do think it's relevant that we don't subsidize our athletes to the extent other countries do, so it takes longer to rise to the top internationally. My only guess is that it takes significant international experience to be competitive at that level and there is an effort afoot to increase the pool of American athletes with that level of experience. I don't mind building up the younger athletes, but getting past the 25+ yr old athletes in trials is never automatic. Maturity and experience, as you point out in your worldwide data, usually win out.


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD

Sir don't get me wrong I believe we have a rich talent pool of young athletes. I just don't believe the US backs them to get the actual experience they need to be successful on the international level. It is true other countries support there pipeline, when we do not. Hopefully this will change over time.

 

[terryl965]

That division, might have the oldest average. Do yo have a breakdown of all - here's just a few other divisions I sampled:

Men – Over 87kg
Anthony Obame, Gabon, Sept. 10, 1988, Age 25
Robelis Desplaines Saquet, Cuba, Sept. 9, 1988, Age 25
Leonardo Basile, Italy, May 12, , 1983, Age, 30
Dongmin Cha, Korea, Aug. 25, 1986, 27
Ivan Trajkovi, Sept. 1, 1991, 22
Average Age – 25.8

Women – Over 73kg
Anne-Caroline Graff, France, Feb. 2, 1986, 27, Age 27
Olga Ivanova, Russia, March 23, 1993, Age 20
Briseida Acosta, Mexico, Aug. 30, 1993, Age 20
Rosana Simon. Spain, July 11, 1989, Age 26
Milica Mandic, Serbia, Dec 6, 1991, Age 21
Average Age 22.8

Men Under 80kg
Ramin Azizov, Azerbaijan, Feb 8, 1988, Age 25
Tahir Gulec, Germany, Feb. 25, 1993, Age 20
Nicolas Garcia Hemme, Spain, June 20, 1988, Age 25
Aaron Cook, Feb 2, United Kingdom, 1991 Age 22
Sebastian Chris Manich, Argentina, Oct. 30, 1986, 26
Average Age 23.5

Women Under 67kg
Haby Niare, France, June 26, 1993, Age 20
Seham El Sawalhy, Egypt, April 14, 1991, Age 22
Nur Tatar, Turkey, Aug. 16, 1992, Age 21
Kyungseung Hwang, Korea, March 21, 1986, Age 27
Farida Azivova, Azabaijan, June 6, 1995, Age 18
Average: 21.6

Sir I actually took every top ten in every weight class and then divided by the number of athletes and came up with those numbers just not the top 5 but the top ten. But yes some weight classes are younger than others.

 

[Archtkd]

Sir I actually took every top ten in every weight class and then divided by the number of athletes and came up with those numbers just not the top 5 but the top ten. But yes some weight classes are younger than others.

Master Stoker: Kindly please don't call me sir. It should be the other way round. You are my senior.

 

[terryl965]

Master Stoker: Kindly please don't call me sir. It should be the other way round. You are my senior.

Yes Archtkd and it is just my up bringing, but I will do as you ask.

 

[StudentCarl]

Sir don't get me wrong I believe we have a rich talent pool of young athletes. I just don't believe the US backs them to get the actual experience they need to be successful on the international level. It is true other countries support there pipeline, when we do not. Hopefully this will change over time.

Sir, I agree with you. However, if my above thought is right, it would be a positive change to see increased support of our up-and-coming (younger) athletes. My first vote would be to require and subsidize the US team members to all fight at the US open....don't even need a passport but our athletes don't seem to go there.


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD

 

[terryl965]

Sir, I agree with you. However, if my above thought is right, it would be a positive change to see increased support of our up-and-coming (younger) athletes. My first vote would be to require and subsidize the US team members to all fight at the US open....don't even need a passport but our athletes don't seem to go there.


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD

Tell me about it, we should require all US top athletes to compete on there home turf.

 

[Gorilla]

They will fight at the US Open...need the points to qualify for Olympics. We might even see Steven Lopez fight...the US Open will be the best ever...comparable to the World Championships! Its gonna be great!

 

[Rumy73]

Maybe we can send some of our 7-year old "black belts" to the next Olympics.