Not All Dojos Function The Same

[Xue Sheng]

Perhaps, but you should also learn from your mistakes, you should learn why you didn't meet your goal (which includes meeting it within a certain set time period) and what you could've done different.

And yet you still cannot guarantee it will follow your schedule

Well college is an example of something where you might set goals, people set goals about getting through college, about earning degrees, and about earning them within a certain time period.

Speaking of missing the point. College is scheduled and controlled within the walls of the institution you are in. Life....not so much... learning to set goals....has little to do with it

 

[Gerry Seymour]

But we set time periods all the time. Most people set a time period of 13 years to get a high school diploma (kindergarten and then grades 1-12), people set time periods in which to get college degrees, more advanced degrees, promotions at work, ect.

And people do set time frames to fall in love, they might hope to get married by a certain age or whatever.

The fact of the matter is, life has time limits. You've only got so long to live, that's your time limit right there.

None of that quite equates to reaching a specific skill level in MA. I do think it can be useful to set goals along those lines (whether for rank or for competition accomplishments), though that would have to be very individualized.

 

[Gerry Seymour]

I think it would be nice if you did have to do something special to achieve rank.

Then not only would you get rank. But you get to do something special.

By “do something special”, I’m referring to having to train specifically for testing. To me, rank is mostly an indicator of progress, so training really hard for a few weeks to get there kind of indicates you weren’t training hard enough the rest of the time.

This is where competition can add a nice bit, because most of us would need to train extra hard for a few weeks to really show well. We can do some of the same if part of rank testing is something equally demanding.

 

[Gerry Seymour]

Well you could try to meet goals within certain time limits. You might not always be successful but there is no reason you can't try, although you should be reasonable with your goals and time limits if you hope to meet them.

Why not? College is a part of life for many people.

If only life were as simple as college…

 

[Gerry Seymour]

Even more special.

What did you have in mind?

 

[Gerry Seymour]

Perhaps, but you should also learn from your mistakes, you should learn why you didn't meet your goal (which includes meeting it within a certain set time period) and what you could've done different.

Well college is an example of something where you might set goals, people set goals about getting through college, about earning degrees, and about earning them within a certain time period.

College is also structured around that time period.

 

[lklawson]

And yet you still cannot guarantee it will follow your schedule

Speaking of missing the point. College is scheduled and controlled within the walls of the institution you are in. Life....not so much... learning to set goals....has little to do with it

Actually, college was originally based on real life, not the other way around. More specifically, it was originally set up to loosely mirror the 3/4-tiered guild system, ending in Provost (Master). The guild system is still in use today by Trade/Labor Unions, which progress in skill from Apprentice to Journeyman to Master.

Unsurprisingly, there was a similar "guild" of martial artists in 16th C. England called "The Company of Maisters." Further, similar ranking systems have been used by Fencing organization up until the present day.

Advancement in the Company of Maisters included both a "time in grade" of a minimum of 7 years and then a skills based test which involved meeting various challengers. Fencing schools still operate in a not-dissimilar method, requiring a recognition of skill and typically a skills test. And that's the way University was supposed to be.

So, if college isn't seen to replicate real life, including in martial arts, then that's because we've forgotten our history.

Peace favor your sword,
Kirk

 

[Xue Sheng]

Actually, college was originally based on real life, not the other way around. More specifically, it was originally set up to loosely mirror the 3/4-tiered guild system, ending in Provost (Master). The guild system is still in use today by Trade/Labor Unions, which progress in skill from Apprentice to Journeyman to Master.

Unsurprisingly, there was a similar "guild" of martial artists in 16th C. England called "The Company of Maisters." Further, similar ranking systems have been used by Fencing organization up until the present day.

Advancement in the Company of Maisters included both a "time in grade" of a minimum of 7 years and then a skills based test which involved meeting various challengers. Fencing schools still operate in a not-dissimilar method, requiring a recognition of skill and typically a skills test. And that's the way University was supposed to be.

So, if college isn't seen to replicate real life, including in martial arts, then that's because we've forgotten our history.

Peace favor your sword,
Kirk

True, but what it was, and what it is, are not the same. And I am referring to what it is now, not what it historically was historically. So in the 21st century, it is not good example of life in general

 

[PhotonGuy]

And yet you still cannot guarantee it will follow your schedule

You can always learn from your past, and when stuff in the past doesn't work out the way you want it to, before you can truly move on you might at least want some closure.

Speaking of missing the point. College is scheduled and controlled within the walls of the institution you are in. Life....not so much... learning to set goals....has little to do with it

Well when you learn martial arts it is also scheduled and controlled within the walls of the dojo, just like college.

 

[PhotonGuy]

If only life were as simple as college…

If only the martial arts were as simple as college, oh wait it is.

 

[Steve]

And yet you still cannot guarantee it will follow your schedule

Speaking of missing the point. College is scheduled and controlled within the walls of the institution you are in. Life....not so much... learning to set goals....has little to do with it

Not sure what @PhotonGuy meant for sure, but I took his point to be accounting for all of the people who start college and don’t finish, or graduate but it takes longer than they had in mind.

I was reading an article on Forbes a few months ago when the student loans issue was big. If I recall correctly, more than half don’t graduate “on time” and something like 1/3rd drop out completely.

 

[Dirty Dog]

And yet you still cannot guarantee it will follow your schedule

Speaking of missing the point. College is scheduled and controlled within the walls of the institution you are in. Life....not so much... learning to set goals....has little to do with it

There are certainly people who have a special need for that degree of controlled structure in their lives. They simply cannot function the way the rest of the world does.
That's one reason we see things posted that are painfully self-evident to most of the world. Like the profound statement "not all dojos function the same".

 

[Steve]

Actually, college was originally based on real life, not the other way around. More specifically, it was originally set up to loosely mirror the 3/4-tiered guild system, ending in Provost (Master). The guild system is still in use today by Trade/Labor Unions, which progress in skill from Apprentice to Journeyman to Master.

Unsurprisingly, there was a similar "guild" of martial artists in 16th C. England called "The Company of Maisters." Further, similar ranking systems have been used by Fencing organization up until the present day.

Advancement in the Company of Maisters included both a "time in grade" of a minimum of 7 years and then a skills based test which involved meeting various challengers. Fencing schools still operate in a not-dissimilar method, requiring a recognition of skill and typically a skills test. And that's the way University was supposed to be.

So, if college isn't seen to replicate real life, including in martial arts, then that's because we've forgotten our history.

Peace favor your sword,
Kirk

Probably depends on the course of study.

 

[Xue Sheng]

You can always learn from your past, and when stuff in the past doesn't work out the way you want it to, before you can truly move on you might at least want some closure.

But sometimes that closure is excepting you failed and learning how to move on

Well when you learn martial arts it is also scheduled and controlled within the walls of the dojo, just like college.

Nope, not all, you apparently never trained Traditional Chinese Martial arts, and some RSBDs aren't all that scheduled either.

 

[Xue Sheng]

Not sure what @PhotonGuy meant for sure, but I took his point to be accounting for all of the people who start college and don’t finish, or graduate but it takes longer than they had in mind.

I was reading an article on Forbes a few months ago when the student loans issue was big. If I recall correctly, more than half don’t graduate “on time” and something like 1/3rd drop out completely.

i did not see that aspect at all, but it does not mean it was not there.. But, yes many don't graduate on time, lord knows I didn't

 

[Steve]

i did not see that aspect at all, but it does not mean it was not there.. But, yes many don't graduate on time, lord knows I didn't

Of course, I may have missed the point. 😅

 

[Buka]

training really hard for a few weeks to get there kind of indicates you weren’t training hard enough the rest of the time.

Truth.