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Well, in the spirit of freedom of choice, the Susan G. Komen charity to fight breast cancer was assaulted by supporters of Planned Parenthood because they had decided that it was their choice to not fund Planned Parenthood. Well...since choice is only an option for liberal groups, the hollywood left and the rest of the left went on a campaign to force a reversal of that decision and apparently they have succeeded. You can't have people who choose the wrong decision now can you? If they do, they must be attacked and punished.

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The Atlantic Wire reports that the Susan G. Komen foundation’s website was even hacked, for some period displaying a banner that had been changed from “help us get 26.2 or 13.1 miles closer to a world without breast cancer“ to read, “help us run over poor women on our way to the bank.” And the long repeated myth that the current Komen CEO takes home a half a million dollar salary was brought back to life yesterday – even though the truth is that Komen’s current CEO, Nancy Brinker, takes home $0 in annual salary.
But hey, breast cancer isn’t supposed to be political, right?

To those who are skeptical that Planned Parenthood is the bastion of women’s wellness with all the best interests of women in mind that its fervent supporters claim it is, Slate points out that there are in fact some legitimate concerns regarding Planned Parenthood.
“…in reading the report put together by Americans United for Life, which helped launch the investigation, there are some legitimate concerns. Planned Parenthood offices in California, New Jersey, New York, and Washington state have at various times been audited by state and federal authorizes and discovered to have been overbilling state agencies and committing other improper billing practices. Further, Planned Parenthood has a record of not reporting instances of sexual abuse—and I’m not talking about 16-year-old girls who come in with their 19-year-old boyfriends. The AUL report documents a case in which a 13-year-old girl was raped by an older foster brother and was impregnated—twice. Planned Parenthood is required, if it wants to receive federal funds, to comply with mandatory reporting laws.”
In viewing the 181 page report from Americans United for Life, there are a key number of claims against Planned Parenthood that initiated those investigations:
  • Misuse of federal health care and family planning funds.
  • Failure to report criminal child sexual abuse.
  • Failure to comply with parental involvement laws.
  • Assisting those engaged in prostitution and/or sex trafficking.
  • Dangerous misuse of the abortion drug RU-486.
  • Misinformation about so-called “emergency contraception,” including ella.
  • Willingness to provide women with inaccurate and misleading information.
  • Willingness to refer to substandard clinics.
 

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Assaulted? Nice choice of phrase. Lol

This was no assault on free speech. This WAS free speech. This was that marketplace of ideas that free speech is meant to allow for. And SGK gave in to the dissenting side.

But let's be honest, billi. If this were a group of Christians successfully campaigning and getting Planned Parenthood to stop providing abortions, you wouldn't have characterize that as an assault. You wouldn't be talking about freedom of choice. You wouldn't be talking about free speech.

So drop the rhetoric. It does your case no good, and in fact takes away from it.

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It's 2 day old news, what took you so long to pick that PP thing up? Slacking, kiddo! Falling down on the job!

Komen is caving to the pressure of women not standing for their attempt to cave to rightwing agenda to cut health benefits for women on the lower scale of the income ladder.

Not to mention that Komen's spending habit are not all that it's cracked up to be. Along with a rather large overhead, not a lot is going to the actual research.

http://butterbeliever.com/2011/10/2...-i-do-not-support-susan-g-komen-for-the-cure/

it shows some of the financial papers.


http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/09/magazine/09abortion.html?pagewanted=all
Now who wants to go back to the good old days of back alleys and rusty coat hangers?

However, Komen is supposed about breast cancer. Early detection is key to successful treatments. PP provides exams and low cost mammograms.
 
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The left tactic of hacking someone elses website is an attack. Typical of the left, but not surprising.
 

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PP does not provide anyone mammograms. They refer them to other places. Act like a middle man take a cut of the money and then pay the bill.
 
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To that point, from the article...

Susan G. Komen Foundation paid $46,861,000 overall in 2010 on breast cancer screenings, according to the foundation’s most recently available annual report from 2010. The Associated Press reports that Planned Parenthood received $580,000 in grants from the foundation for screenings that year, and that Planned Parenthood says it has performed 170,000 breast exams over the past five years as a result of Komen grants. That would average out to 34,000 screenings annually, a small percentage of Susan G. Komen’s total screenings. Given that Planned Parenthood merely serves a pass-through and refers women to other providers for mammogram screenings, the foundation could certainly maximize its spending by cutting out the middle man and funding such providers directly, especially those that provide all the screening tests in one location.
 

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PP does not provide anyone mammograms. They refer them to other places. Act like a middle man take a cut of the money and then pay the bill.

They provide the vouchers, true. Like the Shelter giving vouchers for free or cheap to have your pets spayed. To facilities who bough the expensive machines and hired specialized personal and still have to send it off to a radiologist to be read. A service that is not free but more affordable than having to go through a non PP clinic. I understand that my GYN having the service in house is not the norm but I am immensely grateful to her for providing that service, given that I have a family history of breast cancer and I don't have to go to yet another office.

It's not like Komen does the screening either: They take a 20% cut and pay the clinic....

BTW, gentlemen can also get breast cancer. And receive services at PP.

But yeah, I get it. You hate PP.
 

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Maybe, in the world of Obamacare, this won't be necessary, but the fact is that the very women likely to use Planned Parenthood for the services that so many have issue with: contraception and abortion (not to mention STD screening for free-oops, I did!) are in a socioeconomic group least likely to get regular mammograms and pap smears. If a woman who works at the lab needs contraception or abortion, they're covered by her insurance, and she gets them through her regular provider, just as she gets her annual mammogram and pap smear.

So it's really about poor people, again. "**** em."

It's also worth pointing out that top executives of Komen were resigning or threatening to resign over this, and that 50 congressmen signed a very strongly worded letter.

And that $600,000 just isn't very much money at all.
 
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Maybe, in the world of Obamacare, this won't be necessary, but the fact is that the very women likely to use Planned Parenthood for the services that so many have issue with: contraception and abortion (not to mention STD screening for free-oops, I did!) are in a socioeconomic group least likely to get regular mammograms and pap smears. If a woman who works at the lab needs contraception or abortion, they're covered by her insurance, and she gets them through her regular provider, just as she gets her annual mammogram and pap smear.

So it's really about poor people, again. "**** em."

It's also worth pointing out that top executives of Komen were resigning or threatening to resign over this, and that 50 congressmen signed a very strongly worded letter.

And that $600,000 just isn't very much money at all.

Nonono Elder, follow the groupthink. ;)

This is a group of people that are perceived to not be Republican voters. They MUST be scorned.
 

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Maybe, in the world of Obamacare, this won't be necessary, but the fact is that the very women likely to use Planned Parenthood for the services that so many have issue with: contraception and abortion (not to mention STD screening for free-oops, I did!) are in a socioeconomic group least likely to get regular mammograms and pap smears. If a woman who works at the lab needs contraception or abortion, they're covered by her insurance, and she gets them through her regular provider, just as she gets her annual mammogram and pap smear.

So it's really about poor people, again. "**** em."

It's also worth pointing out that top executives of Komen were resigning or threatening to resign over this, and that 50 congressmen signed a very strongly worded letter.

And that $600,000 just isn't very much money at all.

Well, Birth control is most often not covered, not automatically anyhow. You have to get it pre-approved or pay out of pocket. Compared to Viagra...

Also it is not only poor women who go there. Some go there because the service is better.

Well, yes, it's about poor people. But mostly about women.


And indeed, the 600 grand isn't that much. Seems a lot of disgruntled people have since made up the deficit and then some in 2 days.
I think Komen will feel a backlash from this for a while to come.
 

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granfire said:
Well, Birth control is most often not covered, not automatically anyhow. You have to get it pre-approved or pay out of pocket. Compared to Viagra...

The Pill is usually covered, as it can be used to treat several things other than unwanted pregnancy.

As are abortions.

As was my vasectomy-if I wanted to try having it reversed, I'd have to pay for it, though.


And, no, it's not "only" the poor who go to PP-it's also kids. In any case, it's pretty much as I said: a woman who has insurance gets her annual mammogram and other services, and generally doesn't need to go to PP.
 

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billcihak said:
The left tactic of hacking someone elses website is an attack. Typical of the left, but not surprising.

Since we don't know who was responsible for that particularly clever bit of hacking, attributing it to "the left" is specious at best-the attacker will remain.......anonymous.

Of course,by your "logic," the left was clearly responsible for infecting the Iranian nuclear control system with the Stuxnet virus-a "left tactic" of hacking.

Typical of your logic, but not surprising. :lfao:
 

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I don't hate PP. I think they do provide a service. I hate that they provide abortions but that's not all they do. I do see komens point. Why pay a middle man when they can pay the clinic directly and save money. I also see the point in not giving money to organizations that are under federal investigation


They provide the vouchers, true. Like the Shelter giving vouchers for free or cheap to have your pets spayed. To facilities who bough the expensive machines and hired specialized personal and still have to send it off to a radiologist to be read. A service that is not free but more affordable than having to go through a non PP clinic. I understand that my GYN having the service in house is not the norm but I am immensely grateful to her for providing that service, given that I have a family history of breast cancer and I don't have to go to yet another office.

It's not like Komen does the screening either: They take a 20% cut and pay the clinic....

BTW, gentlemen can also get breast cancer. And receive services at PP.

But yeah, I get it. You hate PP.
 

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I don't hate PP. I think they do provide a service. I hate that they provide abortions but that's not all they do. I do see komens point. Why pay a middle man when they can pay the clinic directly and save money. I also see the point in not giving money to organizations that are under federal investigation

Like Pen State?

Abortions are at about 3% of their services, and some have reconsidered abortions after being counseled by PP staff. I would see the point as well, if the standard wsn't skewed.
 

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Like Pen State?

Abortions are at about 3% of their services, and some have reconsidered abortions after being counseled by PP staff. I would see the point as well, if the standard wsn't skewed.
like pen state what?
I already said abortions is not all they do. That has nothing to do with a private charity deciding who and who not they have the right donate too.
 

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like pen state what?
I already said abortions is not all they do. That has nothing to do with a private charity deciding who and who not they have the right donate too.

Komen gives Pen State grands. Now, I do believe there should be some scrutiny on an institution that allows child rape to commence for several decades. But that is just me I suppose.
 

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PP does not provide anyone mammograms. They refer them to other places. Act like a middle man take a cut of the money and then pay the bill.


My wife got a mammogram there.
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like pen state what?
I already said abortions is not all they do. That has nothing to do with a private charity deciding who and who not they have the right donate too.

Penn State is under federal criminal investigation stemming from the allegations that Jerry Sandusky had sex with little boys in the confines of the university

Komen has given them millions...yet strangely, even after Komen clarified that their new policy has been for criminal investigation, they have said nothing about defunding Penn State, an institution under ... federal criminal investigation.
 

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Komen gives Pen State grands. Now, I do believe there should be some scrutiny on an institution that allows child rape to commence for several decades. But that is just me I suppose.
Got it. I didn't know what you were talking about. I don't know everyone they donate too. I do agree if they have apolicy they need to stick with it
 

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