Janeane Garafalo and the myth of racist republicans

[billc]

I am breaking off of the flash mob thread so that they can discuss that and I can continue to discuss the myth of the racist republicans. Ms. Garafalo made disparaging remarks about Republican Herman Caine because he is an african american who is a member of the republican party. You know, the party that freed the slaves in the united states, that fought the ku klux klan, you know those guys. Ms. Garafalo needs to look more deeply at the roots of the democrat party and some of their current activities, the soft racism, that they now support to keep getting the votes of african americans. Here is another african american tea party member, yes, a tea party member and his thoughts on Ms. Garafalo:

http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/arachel/2011/08/19/janeane-garofalo-upholds-the-racist-traditions-of-the-democratic-party/

Janeane Garofalo wouldn’t know Stockholm Syndrome if it were the applicator she uses for her wheat grass enemas.
Stockholm Syndrome would be better applied to a group of people who still vote for the party that:

• Fought to keep slavery legal.
• Founded the KKK.
• Imposed Jim Crow laws.
• Created the Jim Crow Minstrel to boot (Thomas D. Rice – D)
• Imposed the Dred Scott Decision.
• Revoked special field order 15, or “40 Acres and a Mule.
• Revoked federal positions for blacks.
• Pro segregation in schools and military.

All these things Democrats were for and Republicans against.
And no, there was no party switch, that is, unless you’re talking about black voters. Blacks started voting Democratic long before the supposed “party switch,” before the supposed Southern Strategy. The black community was disenfranchised by Democrats, and then established as a voting stock for the Democratic party as early as FDR’s first term, as he brought in the entitlement society.
Furthermore, the Dixiecrats went back to the Democrat party, as they said: “We would vote for a yellow dog before voting Republican.”
It would take too much time to list all the Dixiecrats who went back to the Democrat party, but liberals always showcase that cherry-picked exception known as Strom Thurman. Thurman should have remained a Democrat. He would have been forgiven for being a bigot, like lifelong Democrat and former KKK Grand Wizard, Senator Robert Byrd.

On the ku klux klan, from a pbs site:

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/jimcrow/stories_org_kkk.html

the Klan quickly became a terrorist organization in service of the Democratic Party and white supremacy. Between 1869 and 1871 its goal was to destroy Congressional Reconstruction by murdering blacks -- and some whites -- who were either active in Republican politics or educating black children.

You constantly here from the democrats that the republican party and the tea party are racists, and as a republican and a tea party supporter I would like to help set the record straight. The real history of racism lies with the democrat party, it supported slavery, it wanted to spread slavery to the new states, it wanted to re-start the slave trade with africa, it went to war for the states right to continue slavery, it instituted the jim crow laws, and voting suppression laws in the south. The democrats were the political party that "barred the school house doors," to african american children to keep them out, and now blocks the school house doors to keep them in the horrible public schools. Dick Durbin, democrat from my own state kicked african american scholarship students out of the private school where Barak Obama's daughters go to school. The men with the fire hoses, police dogs, night sticks, and lynchings, as portrayed in a photo from the other thread, were democrats. Bill Clinton's mentor, who he continued to embrace even as president, was a segregationist, Al Gore's father was another segregationist, the "Dean of the Senate," Robert Byrd, was a recruiter for the Ku Klux Klan and started his own chapter. The list of racist activity from the democrat party both historically and currently give lie to the myth of the racist republicans and tea party members. Ms. Garafalo needs to look more deeply into her own political affiliations before she tries to smear Herman Caine. Thanks.

 

[WC_lun]

I see history from years ago should not be held against anyone UNLESS that history can be used to make a right wing point.

Yes, the Democratic party was the party of white southern racist. However, what party would a clansman now be more likly to belong too today? A Neo-Nazi? Not that I think the Republican party is racist, but the grand ole party has not discouraged membership of certain groups. I remember hearing quite often in the last presidential election how a man is defined by the company he keeps. Perhaps that is why some of these racist charges seem to gain traaction.

 

[Twin Fist]

how about sticking to the subject? this twit or a washed up actress is essentially saying that uinless you agree with her, you are suffering from a mental disorder

 

[billc]

The charges get traction because the media continues to favor the democrat party. The republicans favor school choice, as does the majority of african americans whenever you poll to find out their opinions. the democrat party refuses to support vouchers to the benefit of powerful teachers unions and to the great detriment of the african american community. Hmmm...which policy would appear at face value to be more racist, supporting vouchers and helping all children, including african american children recieve not a better education but simply a good education, or to fight school vouchers and force inner city children to a lifetime of bad outcomes? The party of racism, in all its shades and colors is the democrat party. The president went to a racist church for 20 years, the press ignored it. Bill Clinton's political mentor a hard core segregationist, and someone Bill clinton continued to support and even awarded some sort of presidential medal, was ignored. The media will not plumb the depths of racism when it is from the democrat party. It is as simple as that.

The neo-nazis wouldn't find a home with the republicans, they are racists and socialists, the republican party stands against both of those things.

 

[Big Don]

Ron Paul and Pat Buchanan having been heard from, I'll bow out.

 

[billc]

Bill Clinton awarded the Presidential medal of freedom to his political mentor J. William Fulbright, a known segregationist: From wikipedia on J. William Fulbright

On May 5, 1993, President Bill Clinton presented the Presidential Medal of Freedom to Fulbright at the Fulbright Association's eighty-eighth birthday tribute. [SUP][13]

Fulbright signed The Southern Manifesto opposing the Supreme Court's historic 1954 Brown v. Board of Education decision. He subsequently joined with the Dixiecrats in filibustering the Civil Rights Act of 1957 and the Civil Rights Act of 1964, as well as voting against the 1965 Voting Rights Ac[/SUP]

Now, whatever you may say about any changes in attitude this man may have had at the end of his life, if any at all, the article is fairly silent on his actual segregationsit activities, do you really think he deserved the presidential medal of freedom? Maybe Ms. Garafalo could look into this episode in modern democrat politics.

 

[Twin Fist]

yeah, wait on THAT to happen

 

[billc]

Here is a campaign video of Herman Cain, the man smeared by Janeane Garafalo.

http://www.hughhewitt.com/blog/g/a1e23eb1-4c47-416a-a939-787705ea29d8

 

[Carol]

how about sticking to the subject? this twit or a washed up actress is essentially saying that uinless you agree with her, you are suffering from a mental disorder

I thought that was Michael Savage? :lol2:

 

[Twin Fist]

equally twitty

I thought that was Michael Savage? :lol2:

 

[billc]

Here is an article from American Thinker that goes into the actual civil rights record of President's Eisenhower and Nixon as they tried to overcome the democrat party and it's racism during their presidencies...http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2007/02/herbert_brownell_gop_civil_rig.html

In his January 1957 State of the Union address, President Eisenhower re-submitted Brownell's bill to Congress, where it had languished the year before. Brownell's original draft would have permitted the Attorney General to sue anyone violating another person's constitutional rights, but this powerful provision would have to wait until the 1964 Civil Rights Act.

The new law would establish a Civil Rights Division within the Justice Department and a Civil Rights Division, and authorized the Attorney General to request injunctions from federal courts against any attempt to deny someone's right to vote. The bill had to be weakened considerably to secure enough Democrat votes to pass, so violations would be civil, not criminal offenses, and penalties were light.

From the beginning, the 1957 Civil Rights Act had overwhelming support in the House of Representatives. As ever, southern Democrats in the Senate were the chief obstacle, and Vice President Nixon played a key role in outmaneuvering them. Another Dewey's protégés, Vice President Richard Nixon, campaigned hard for passage of the 1957 Civil Rights Act, declaring: "Most of us will live to see the day when American boys and girls shall sit, side by side, at any school - public or private - with no respect paid to the color of skin. Segregation, discrimination, and prejudice have no place in America."

Yes, you can just see the racism in these two president's can't you. Remember, Eisenhower sent in the 101st airborne to allow african american children into the schools that were blocked by democrats. Nixon did more for civil rights than Kennedy or LBJ combined. And yet, the myth still persists.

 

[billc]

Again, from the American Thinker, a little bit of Kennedy on race and even LBJ...
http://www.americanthinker.com/prin...m/2009/08/kennedy_legacy_black_voters_jo.html

"Democrat President John F. Kennedy is lauded as a proponent of civil
rights. However, Kennedy voted against the 1957 Civil Rights Act while he was a
senator, as did Democrat Sen. Al Gore Sr. And after he became President, Kennedy
was opposed to the 1963 March on Washington by Dr. King that was organized by A.
Phillip Randolph, who was a black Republican. President Kennedy, through his
brother Atty. Gen. Robert Kennedy, had Dr. King wiretapped and investigated by the FBI
on suspicion of being a Communist in order to undermine Dr. King."

 

[ATACX GYM]

I am breaking off of the flash mob thread so that they can discuss that and I can continue to discuss the myth of the racist republicans. Ms. Garafalo made disparaging remarks about Republican Herman Caine because he is an african american who is a member of the republican party. You know, the party that freed the slaves in the united states, that fought the ku klux klan, you know those guys. Ms. Garafalo needs to look more deeply at the roots of the democrat party and some of their current activities, the soft racism, that they now support to keep getting the votes of african americans. Here is another african american tea party member, yes, a tea party member and his thoughts on Ms. Garafalo:

http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/arachel/2011/08/19/janeane-garofalo-upholds-the-racist-traditions-of-the-democratic-party/



On the ku klux klan, from a pbs site:



You constantly here from the democrats that the republican party and the tea party are racists, and as a republican and a tea party supporter I would like to help set the record straight. The real history of racism lies with the democrat party, it supported slavery, it wanted to spread slavery to the new states, it wanted to re-start the slave trade with africa, it went to war for the states right to continue slavery, it instituted the jim crow laws, and voting suppression laws in the south. The democrats were the political party that "barred the school house doors," to african american children to keep them out, and now blocks the school house doors to keep them in the horrible public schools. Dick Durbin, democrat from my own state kicked african american scholarship students out of the private school where Barak Obama's daughters go to school. The men with the fire hoses, police dogs, night sticks, and lynchings, as portrayed in a photo from the other thread, were democrats. Bill Clinton's mentor, who he continued to embrace even as president, was a segregationist, Al Gore's father was another segregationist, the "Dean of the Senate," Robert Byrd, was a recruiter for the Ku Klux Klan and started his own chapter. The list of racist activity from the democrat party both historically and currently give lie to the myth of the racist republicans and tea party members. Ms. Garafalo needs to look more deeply into her own political affiliations before she tries to smear Herman Caine. Thanks.

Both parties have deeply racist roots and are irretrievably stained with racism,but the Republicans are and have been in modern times more glaringly brutally and obviously racist due to their complete opposition to things like Social Security,Medicare,and pretty much anything else that generally uplifts the average worker and person and requires that the uber rich pay their fair share of taxes,treat workers with respect,etc. due to their alliance with the uberelite,corporations,and others who prize personal power and profit above anything else.These groups and the Republicans in general since the 20th century especially have no problems sacrificing the masses to their relentless quest for profit...and their championing of nut cases like Rush Limbaugh,Glen Beck,etc.,and how fringe lunatics seem to be the dominant central of the Republican Party; from religious nutcases to the current Tea Party nuts and nutcases like Rush,Bachman,etc.

The real legacy of racism not only is part and parcel of the birth of the United States but that same racism is enshrined within every primary institution of the USA as well.

 

[billc]

One could also say that the democrats, under LBJ and other modern democrats have crafted a welfare state meant to keep minorities and the poor enthralled to the state, Trading a meager subsistence, poor education, and the destruction of generations of african americans through welfare programs that destroyed the family and the hopes of anything but generational poverty, for voting to keep the democrats in power and in control of the government goodies.

 

[elder999]

Odd. As I posted in the other thread, billi, these people were in Marion, Indiana, in 1930. Based on voting stats that I linked to in that thread, it's likely that they mostly voted Republican. Of course, all the facts you state about the history of the Democratic party are true. What you are omitting, intentionally or not, is that it's just as LBJ prophesied when he signed the Civil Rights Act, speaking of the Democratic party, he said, I just signed away all of the south for us. Those racist Democrats you speak of are the southern Republicans of today. Safest to say that the entire country has a racist history, and one that crosses party lines on all sides. Political conditions-and politics (do you really think Eisenhower expected the Civil Rights Act of 1957 to pass, or knew that it wouldn't?) change, as do social conditions. At one time, it would have been socially acceptable and expected for you to call me or Ras "George," or even "******." These things have changed, of course-you probably don't even know the significance of " Just call me 'George''/i],"- but to speak of "racist parties" without viewing the whole of their historical context, is, at best, ignorant. Sure, the democrats were a party of overt racism-at times, so were the republicans. The words of the "Great Emancipator," our first Republican President, Abraham Lincoln:

I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in anyway the social and political equality of the white and black races – that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race. I say upon this occasion I do not perceive that because the white man is to have the superior position the negro should be denied everything.”
Abraham Lincoln
(1809-1865) 16th US President
Source:
Fourth Debate with Stephen A. Douglas at Charleston, Illinois, September 18, 1858

Lincoln was, of course, a man of his time-his viewswere the social norm on both sides of the Mason-Dixon line, and epsecially on the frontier where he was from. While they weren't shared by all at all times prior to that (how do you think I got here?) they were the majority opinion, and one that is still changing slowly.

Ronald Reagan, the "Great Communicator," had barely gotten into the Oval Office when, in 1981, he supported trying to reverse reverse a long-standing policy of denying tax-exempt status to private schools that practice racial discrimination and grant an exemption to Bob Jones University, in spite of their then policy of banning interracial dating.

I could go on-and someone could also go on about the racism of Democrats, when, really it boils down to one thing:

Some-hell, lots of Americans are racists.

Can we move on now? :lfao:

 

[billc]

From the Indiana government site:

The Ku Klux Klan rose to prominence in Indiana politics and society after World War I. It was made up of native-born, white Protestants of many income and social levels. In the changing world of the 1920s, the group was against Catholics, Jews, African-Americans, immorality, and drinking. Nationally, Indiana was said to have the most powerful Ku Klux Klan.

Yes, the quote says Indiana was said to have had the most powerful Ku Klux Klan. Not exactly a republican organization, so saying that the people in the photo were republicans is not fair in the slightist and contributes to the myth.

 

[billc]

From world net daily:

http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=44171

Of all forms of violent intimidation, lynchings were by far the most effective," Barton said in his book. "Republicans often led the efforts to pass federal anti-lynching

[COLOR=blue !important][FONT=inherit !important][COLOR=blue !important][FONT=inherit !important]laws[/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR]and their platforms consistently called for a ban on lynching. Democrats successfully blocked those bills and their platforms never did condemn lynchings."

Why would Democrats skip over their own history from 1848 to 1900?" Barton asked. "Perhaps because it's not the kind of civil rights history they want to talk about – perhaps because it is not the kind of civil rights history they want to have on their website."
The National Review article by Deroy Murdock cited the 1866 comment from Indiana Republican Gov. Oliver Morton condemning Democrats for their racism.
"Every one who shoots down Negroes in the streets, burns Negro schoolhouses and[COLOR=blue !important][FONT=inherit !important][COLOR=blue !important][FONT=inherit !important]meeting[/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR]-houses, and murders women and children by the light of their own flaming dwellings, calls himself a Democrat," Morton said.[/FONT]
It also cited the 1856 criticism by U.S. Sen. Charles Sumner, R-Mass., of pro-slavery Democrats. "Congressman Preston Brooks (D-S.C.) responded by grabbing a stick and beating Sumner unconscious in the Senate chamber. Disabled, Sumner could not resume his duties for three years."
By the admission of the Democrats themselves, on their website, it wasn't until Harry Truman was elected that "Democrats began the fight to bring down the final barriers of race and gender."
"That is an accurate description," wrote Barton. "Starting with Harry Truman, Democratsbegan– that is, they made theirfirstserious efforts – to fight against the barriers of race; yet … Truman's efforts were largely unsuccessful because of his own Democratic Party."

Read more:KKK's 1st targets were <I>Republicans</i>http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=44171#ixzz1VbQNr8G8

 

[Big Don]

Both parties have deeply racist roots

UH, NO. The Republican party was founded to END SLAVERY. The Democratic party had slavery and opposition to ending slavery in its presidential platforms for YEARS.

and are irretrievably stained with racism,but the Republicans are and have been in modern times more glaringly brutally and obviously racist due to their complete opposition to things like Social Security,Medicare,and pretty much anything else that generally uplifts the average worker and person and requires that the uber rich pay their fair share of taxes,treat workers with respect,etc. due to their alliance with the uberelite,corporations,and others who prize personal power and profit above anything else.These groups and the Republicans in general since the 20th century especially have no problems sacrificing the masses to their relentless quest for profit...and their championing of nut cases like Rush Limbaugh,Glen Beck,etc.,and how fringe lunatics seem to be the dominant central of the Republican Party; from religious nutcases to the current Tea Party nuts and nutcases like Rush,Bachman,etc.

Democrats opposed the Civil Rights act of 1957, the Civil Rights Act of 1964,:
[h=4]By party[/h] The original House version:[SUP][12][/SUP]

• Democratic Party: 152-96 (61%-39%)
• Republican Party: 138-34 (80%-20%)

Cloture in the Senate:[SUP][13][/SUP]

• Democratic Party: 44-23 (66%&#8211;34%)
• Republican Party: 27-6 (82%&#8211;18%)

The Senate version:[SUP][12][/SUP]

• Democratic Party: 46-21 (69%&#8211;31%)
• Republican Party: 27-6 (82%&#8211;18%)

The Senate version, voted on by the House:[SUP][12][/SUP]

• Democratic Party: 153-91 (63%&#8211;37%)
• Republican Party: 136-35 (80%&#8211;20%)

The Republicans voted for the Civil Rights Act of 1964 in greater numbers and greater percentage than did the Democrats. But, perhaps 1964 wasn't in the 20th century... Likewise, the Republicans voted for the Voting rights act of 1965 in greater numbers and percentage than did the Democrats. Shoot, Andrew Johnson VETOED the Civil Rights Act of 1866

The real legacy of racism not only is part and parcel of the birth of the United States but that same racism is enshrined within every primary institution of the USA as well.

No, the real legacy of racism is a pack of lies. Did you know the Klan targeted Republicans as much as they did blacks, when founded?

"Everybody likes to go to Geneva. I used to do it for the Law of the Sea conferences and you'd find these potentates from down in Africa, you know, rather than eating each other, they'd just come up and get a good square meal in Geneva."

--Sen. Ernest F. Hollings (D., S.C.) 1993
Chairman, Commerce Committee, 1987-95 and 2001-03
Candidate for the Democratic presidential nomination, 1984
Oooh, look, this was in the 20th century:Virginia Democrat, Woodrow Wilson, won both the 1912 and 1916 presidential elections. He encouraged the introduction and passage of discriminatory legislation, such as a bill passed by the House that made interracial marriage in the District of Columbia a felony.
Yet, Nixon made Affirmative Action law, Bush (43) appointed the first TWO Black Secretaries of State, and the first Latino Attorney General...
But, Republicans are racists...

 

[elder999]

From the Indiana government site:



Yes, the quote says Indiana was said to have had the most powerful Ku Klux Klan. Not exactly a republican organization, so saying that the people in the photo were republicans is not fair in the slightist and contributes to the myth.

There is not one single white sheet in the photo-the mark of the Klan-if you look at the story:

A lynching occurred in Marion on August 7, 1930. A large mob estimated at 2,000 gathered at the county jail where three young black men were held on charges of killing a white man and raping his girlfriend. Before they could be tried, the three, Thomas Shipp, Abram Smith and James Cameron, were dragged from the jail and severely beaten. Shipp and Smith were hanged, but Cameron was released when an unidentified man claimed that he had nothing to do with the crimes. In 1931 he was convicted as an accessory to murder and served four years before being paroled. James Cameron went on to serve as the Indiana State Director of Civil Liberties from 1942&#8211;1950 and founded three local chapters of the NAACP. He served as the first president of the Madison County, Indiana chapter. In 1988 he founded America&#8217;s Black Holocaust Museum in Milwaukee to preserve the history of African Americans who had faced the terror and violence of lynching. In 1993, James Cameron received an official apology and a full pardon from the state of Indiana.[SUP][6][/SUP] Cameron later said, "Since the state of Indiana forgave me, I forgive the state of Indiana." In 2005, the U.S. Senate also officially apologized to Cameron and others. The event in Marion was notable as the last confirmed lynching of blacks in the Northern United States.[SUP][

[/SUP]

I'm not saying that the people in the photo were Republican or Democrat. I'm saying that the people of Indiana voted majority Republican, from 1920 to 2004. The statistics are there for you to see in the election return history I posted, and undeniable. To say that the people in the photo are Democrats is equally disingenuous as stating that they were Republicans would be. Voting statistics demonstrate, though, that odds are good that many of them were Republicans...
...that is, unless you see great big "D"s tatooed on their foreheads in the photograph, of course. :lfao:

 

[billc]

Elder, you are implying that they are republicans when the facts don't bear that out. Indiana, for whatever reason, was a huge power center for the ku klux klan. Living in Illinois, I had heard about the klan and its stronghold in Indiana since I was younger. Lynching was a known tactic of the klan, democrats, and not republicans.

From the post in the flash mob thread:

David Curtiss "Steve" Stephenson (21 August 1891 &#8211; 28 June 1966) was an American Grand Dragon(state leader) of the Ku Klux Klan in the U.S. state of Indiana and 22 otherNorthern states. He is considered to have been one of the most successful Klan leaders up until his downfall after his conviction for murder. His trial and imprisonment contributed to the end of the second wave of Klan activity in the 1920s.

So, the state may have been majority republican, but the klan was active and powerful in that state.