Heavy bag disappointment

[Xue Sheng]

I had a 50lbs Everlast bag for close to 40 years (I still have it actually, I just can’t bring myself to throw it out.. which turned out to be a good thing) and it took a lot of beatings. But after almost 40 years the cover was starting to look pretty rough.

I was so happy with that Everlast, I went out and bought me another one, this time an 80lbs bag. I have had it for only a few years and the contents of the bag has pretty much all dropped to the bottom and I cannot raise the bag anymore so to hit it with any resistance I am in a deep horse stance.This makes moving in with proper structure to strike with Xingyiquan pretty much impossible for all but Bengquan so….Last night I had enough; I dug out the old bag, cleaned it off and started using it again and the cover may be rough and it may be a little over 40 years old, but it is still a better bag than the new one I bought from Everlast

Damn, Everlast ain’t what it use to be :disgust:

 

[donnaTKD]

have you tried an RDX bag - i got 2 a 5ft pencil type one weighing in at around 70lbs and a teardrop weighing in at around 80lb. i've had both for about a year - i train MT and they both take a lot of punishment and i've yet to scar the leather or see any movement from the contents.

just thinking out loud - not had any experience with other makes cos when i bought the rdx ones they were on offer

 

[Brian R. VanCise]

Old, old bags were really made to last. The only bag's I am happy with made today are typically full length Muay Thai banana bags. They are great. Still those old bags were absolutely fantastic!

 

[Xue Sheng]

have you tried an RDX bag - i got 2 a 5ft pencil type one weighing in at around 70lbs and a teardrop weighing in at around 80lb. i've had both for about a year - i train MT and they both take a lot of punishment and i've yet to scar the leather or see any movement from the contents.

just thinking out loud - not had any experience with other makes cos when i bought the rdx ones they were on offer

I've been wondering about the Teardrop bags. I looked at RDX but all the prices where in pounds and I spend dollars.

How do you like the teardrop for training?

Oh and the heavy bag I have, and am not happy about it leather.

Old, old bags were really made to last. The only bag's I am happy with made today are typically full length Muay Thai banana bags. They are great. Still those old bags were absolutely fantastic!

Yeah I remember the old kick bags at Jea Hun Kim's school, now that was a kick bag, 100 lbs canvas, of course that was also over 30 years ago

I remember you telling me about the Muay Thai banana bags, I shall have to check it out. My only issue is the height I have to hang it. I am hanging it off an I-Beam that is about 8 to 9 feet up...I shall check it out

But I'm loving my old bag, I am just not sure how much more of a beating it can take

 

[ST1Doppelganger]

I had a 50lbs Everlast bag for close to 40 years (I still have it actually, I just can’t bring myself to throw it out.. which turned out to be a good thing) and it took a lot of beatings. But after almost 40 years the cover was starting to look pretty rough.

I was so happy with that Everlast, I went out and bought me another one, this time an 80lbs bag. I have had it for only a few years and the contents of the bag has pretty much all dropped to the bottom and I cannot raise the bag anymore so to hit it with any resistance I am in a deep horse stance.This makes moving in with proper structure to strike with Xingyiquan pretty much impossible for all but Bengquan so….Last night I had enough; I dug out the old bag, cleaned it off and started using it again and the cover may be rough and it may be a little over 40 years old, but it is still a better bag than the new one I bought from Everlast

Damn, Everlast ain’t what it use to be :disgust:

I've killed 2 of the 80 pound and 1 50 pound Neverlast bags from the late 90's switched to a perma built 60 pound and 100 pound eagle trading co bag and could not destroy those but I have them to my Kung fu school when I moved out of state.

 

[Xue Sheng]

I've killed 2 of the 80 pound and 1 50 pound Neverlast bags from the late 90's switched to a perma built 60 pound and 100 pound eagle trading co bag and could not destroy those but I have them to my Kung fu school when I moved out of state.

My original Everlast, that is still doing ok is from the early 70s the one I have now, that is no good anymore is from around 2010. I shall look at perma built as well

 

[Buka]

Sad when an old bag goes.

Any chance you can use the outside of the new one over your old bag? Won't fit great, of course, but might settle over a couple years.

 

[Xue Sheng]

Sad when an old bag goes.

Any chance you can use the outside of the new one over your old bag? Won't fit great, of course, but might settle over a couple years.

Nah, the old bag is shorter with a bigger diameter and its a 50 pound bag. The new bag is longer and an 80 pound bag. The old one is still working so I will just use that until I find a good replacement. Although I thought I had a good replacement when I bought the 80 pound bag...turns out I didn't

 

[wingchun100]

Sad how the technology that improves their production has gone up in quality, but the products themselves have lost integrity.

 

[donnaTKD]

the teardrop bag i bought as a dedicated knee and elbow bag - really like it and find that it goes well with the pencil shape one i got.

the internals of my bags are made from recycled fabric so it'll never condense into a pile in the bottom of the bag like the maize ones do. so whilst knocking the stuffing out of it you're helping the environment too

teardrop for punching against i don't really punch it just use it for knees and elbows but even if a maize filled one piled in the bottom of the bag it'd still be of some use for punching.

guess that i just like rdx --- have you tried asking the guys at rdx through their wsebsite (live chat) about cost of products and shipping and stuff ????? i know that i'll never use another company

 

[Xue Sheng]

the teardrop bag i bought as a dedicated knee and elbow bag - really like it and find that it goes well with the pencil shape one i got.

the internals of my bags are made from recycled fabric so it'll never condense into a pile in the bottom of the bag like the maize ones do. so whilst knocking the stuffing out of it you're helping the environment too

teardrop for punching against i don't really punch it just use it for knees and elbows but even if a maize filled one piled in the bottom of the bag it'd still be of some use for punching.

guess that i just like rdx --- have you tried asking the guys at rdx through their wsebsite (live chat) about cost of products and shipping and stuff ????? i know that i'll never use another company

I shall contact them when I am ready to buy again, I'm sure shipping will not be cheap, but I will find out.

For now I think I will just use the old kick bag.....it is working great

 

[donnaTKD]

i think that i might cost a fair bit to get it to you but it'll more than pay for itself when time comes.

have fun

 

[ST1Doppelganger]

From my experience the newer bags weakness are where the chains connect to the actual bag is where they tend to start to tear so id look in to finding a good bag with allot of reinforcement around that area.

I used shoe goo on several of my Neverlast bags to extend their hanging life and when they finally were unable to hang I used the large ones as grappling punching bags.

 

[Xue Sheng]

From my experience the newer bags weakness are where the chains connect to the actual bag is where they tend to start to tear so id look in to finding a good bag with allot of reinforcement around that area.

I used shoe goo on several of my Neverlast bags to extend their hanging life and when they finally were unable to hang I used the large ones as grappling punching bags.

Where did you get your perma built bag? I was looking on line and it took me here Punching Bags- Pro Boxing Supplies and boxing Equipment!

 

[ST1Doppelganger]

Well I bought my bags in the late 90's and early 2,000's from a local martial arts shop but the material and strap design is very similar to that tai bag design. (In the link)

The only issue I had was that the top zipper eventually broke but that was about 5 years in to it and caused no adverse side affect other then an occasional piece of shredded cloth falling out when doing a hard high punch or kick.

I prefer that vinyl strap system compared to the everlast and other bags that use the common chain method for their straps.

 

[jks9199]

Everlast kind of went a "mass market" direction with their stuff. It's OK, but not always the up to real heavy training. Ringside stayed more along the "real" line.

 

[donnaTKD]

that sounds pretty much like rdx gear - the rdx stuff is tested by fighters before it's released onto the market -- for the price they're outstanding.

i'm expecting that i'll still be kicking and knocking the s%^t out of mine for at least the next 10years which when you consider that i'm paying £30 plus postage a piece for them is superb value for money

the only downside to the rdx ones is that the chain that comes with them is 18inches long so you gotta have a high hanging space for a 5ft bag.

 

[Xue Sheng]

I've decided to vent my frustration at Everlast, although it is likely nothing will come of it I am going to contact them about this

 

[Punchy]

I've decided to vent my frustration at Everlast, although it is likely nothing will come of it I am going to contact them about this

If their management is anything like their product, then they may give in.

I bought a 6'/100# bag from Kwon over 20 years ago and it has held up well.

 

[donnaTKD]

love it you never know you might get a free bag out of it

hope all goes well