Hancuffin fools.

[drop bear107]

So. I was trying some handcuffing during live rolling today

It is really hard and really specialised. But I found I was looking for things and developing skills I don't normally do.

Especially back takes. My focus wasn't on the neck. But on securing the arms. Which made my back takes instantly better.

 

[Wing Woo Gar42]

So. I was trying some handcuffing during live rolling today

It is really hard and really specialised. But I found I was looking for things and developing skills I don't normally do.

Especially back takes. My focus wasn't on the neck. But on securing the arms. Which made my back takes instantly better.

This is really interesting.

 

[Wing Woo Gar42]

So. I was trying some handcuffing during live rolling today

It is really hard and really specialised. But I found I was looking for things and developing skills I don't normally do.

Especially back takes. My focus wasn't on the neck. But on securing the arms. Which made my back takes instantly better.

Could you talk more about this?

 

[Same Trick52]

These kind of things one see security police have handy at airports, train stations and other public areas here in China
The one’s in the article seems a prototype, what they have today looks more sturdy with sort of a tighter clasp.
I think it’s modeled from a much older arresting tool also used to be used in the west ?

New weapons against offenders unveiled in S China - Global Times

www.globaltimes.cn

 

[drop bear107]

Could you talk more about this?

So if you look at the videos above. I was basically trying to hit those concepts. Just doing live rolling with the BJJ guys.

Essentially I would try to get a top position. Hit a gift wrap with those crossed arms. To get the top arm I move to a seated back take. But sort of let them post and go for the post then reach behind their back and get that hand cuff. (I mostly tried to pull the arm. Then wedge my foot in there to secure it. Then Kimoura the bottom arm. )

Or go for the bottom arm. Kimoura then handcuff.

Or force them in to turtle. And take that belly down handcuff.

Which is all kind of good back take dynamics. The theory being you don't take someone's back then desperately attack the neck because they desperately defend it.

You take their back take their hands away and have a free shot at their neck.

I didn't use commands to sort of pain compliance myself another arm and I didn't reef anything on. So it was just a jujitsu match.

I got a couple of the newer guys. Lost control a heap of times and had to reset everything. And sometimes never got out of guard and had to just play a straight jits game.

But all in all I found it a legitimately fun exercise that didn't effect their rolls much. And I think really broadened my outlook.

 

[drop bear107]

So. I was doing this on my own. The top arm gets a kimoura the bottom arm gets the dagastani handcuff. Depending on what i can catch.

This gift wrap traditionally leads itself to a back take. But I would just seat them a bit and dagastani handcuff. Then shove my foot in there to hold it because I don't have that 2nd guy.

 

[drop bear107]

For the stand up. I was trying for underhook wrist control. Back take then snatch a sort of one on two control. Which gives me a standing handcuff.

 

[HighKick]

So. I was trying some handcuffing during live rolling today

It is really hard and really specialised. But I found I was looking for things and developing skills I don't normally do.

Especially back takes. My focus wasn't on the neck. But on securing the arms. Which made my back takes instantly better.

Part of what makes it really hard is controlling Both arms.

 

[Wing Woo Gar42]

So if you look at the videos above. I was basically trying to hit those concepts. Just doing live rolling with the BJJ guys.

Essentially I would try to get a top position. Hit a gift wrap with those crossed arms. To get the top arm I move to a seated back take. But sort of let them post and go for the post then reach behind their back and get that hand cuff. (I mostly tried to pull the arm. Then wedge my foot in there to secure it. Then Kimoura the bottom arm. )

Or go for the bottom arm. Kimoura then handcuff.

Or force them in to turtle. And take that belly down handcuff.

Which is all kind of good back take dynamics. The theory being you don't take someone's back then desperately attack the neck because they desperately defend it.

You take their back take their hands away and have a free shot at their neck.

I didn't use commands to sort of pain compliance myself another arm and I didn't reef anything on. So it was just a jujitsu match.

I got a couple of the newer guys. Lost control a heap of times and had to reset everything. And sometimes never got out of guard and had to just play a straight jits game.

But all in all I found it a legitimately fun exercise that didn't effect their rolls much. And I think really broadened my outlook.

Thanks for that! That really makes sense to me even though I have almost no jujitsu skills.

 

[Wing Woo Gar42]

For the stand up. I was trying for underhook wrist control. Back take then snatch a sort of one on two control. Which gives me a standing handcuff.

See I want to practice this stuff or escaping.

 

[Wing Woo Gar42]

Part of what makes it really hard is controlling Both arms.

Especially without getting pummeled in the process.

 

[Wing Woo Gar42]

For the stand up. I was trying for underhook wrist control. Back take then snatch a sort of one on two control. Which gives me a standing handcuff.

Good stuff! Thanks again.

 

[drop bear107]

Thanks for that! That really makes sense to me even though I have almost no jujitsu skills.

You really need jujitsu skills.

The times basically anything worked for me was when I had good timing and saw good opportunities.

You probably don't need a lot of techniques. But you would need time on the mat applying them.

Otherwise If you were going to just find something guy and start playing with these ideas. I would suggest being very careful about wrenching arms behind backs to win. As you could hurt people.

But yeah. There is probably enough information on the internet to get a pretty good base for just that specific stuff.

 

[drop bear107]

Mabye the major element missing is back takes. Which you want to get good at as they are pretty consistent concepts for this idea.

 

[Wing Woo Gar42]

You really need jujitsu skills.

The times basically anything worked for me was when I had good timing and saw good opportunities.

You probably don't need a lot of techniques. But you would need time on the mat applying them.

Otherwise If you were going to just find something guy and start playing with these ideas. I would suggest being very careful about wrenching arms behind backs to win. As you could hurt people.

But yeah. There is probably enough information on the internet to get a pretty good base for just that specific stuff.

I would train jujitsu if I had more time. Ever the real enemy…

 

[drop bear107]

 

[drop bear107]

The barb wire. Which is similar. And might give me a belly down option.

(And thanks to Rob Gruifrida. For putting me on to that one.)

 

[Wing Woo Gar42]

Is that you? Very nice!

 

[drop bear107]

Is that you? Very nice!

I have hit it a few times. On basically beginners. But it's a start.

 

[Wing Woo Gar42]

I have hit it a few times. On basically beginners. But it's a start.

It seems like it would be tough to get on blue belts and up.