Gitmo detainee murders after his release....

[billc]

Well, it appears that releasing detainees from gitmo is a bad idea...

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2012/07/19/anti-Israel-bomber-Bulgaria-released-Gitmo

[h=2]Leftists who hate Israel can rejoice; their efforts at securing the release of a Gitmo detainee and their subsequent lionizing of him allowed him to murder five Israelis in the bombing Wednesday in Burgas, Bulgarian. The bomber has been identified as Mehdi Ghezali, who was detained at Gitmo Bay in Cuba from 2002 to 2004.[/h]According to Wikileaks documents, Ghazali was “uncooperative, unforthcoming and deceptive during interrogations.” His father had met with Abdolrahman Barzanjee, an Al Qaeda associate and possible Ansar Al-Islam coordinator for Europe (Ansar Al-Islam is a group of Sunni Muslims trying to turn Iraq into an Islamist state), and Ghazali was friends with a Swedish operative who was a close associate of Abu Zubadayah, a high-ranking official with Al Qaeda.
Ghazali, who was a Swedish citizen, was visited by members of the Swedish government frequently while he was in custody at Gitmo, and the Swedish media played up his incarceration. While Ghezali was detained at Gitmo, he was featured in the documentaryGitmo – The New Rules of War, a film that savaged Guantanamo Bay detention camp by film directors Erik Gandini and Tarik Saleh.
In February of 2004, Ghazali was reassessed and regarded as an enemy combatant who had gone to Afghanistan to support the Taliban, but although Gitmo concluded that he was a “medium risk, as he may possibly pose a threat to the US its interests and allies,” the decision to release him to Sweden followed: “Recommendation: JTF Gitmo recommends that this detainee be transferred to the control of another country for continued detention.”

 

[Bill Mattocks]

Well, it appears that releasing detainees from gitmo is a bad idea...

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2012/07/19/anti-Israel-bomber-Bulgaria-released-Gitmo

Releasing terrorists is a bad idea. Locking them up in Gitmo without charge or trial perpetually is a bad idea. It's not an 'either/or' situation.

But let's not let that get in the way of a good lefty-bashing.

And it's interesting that Brietbart levels charges against the media (presumably the US media, although they didn't say explicitly) but the only news articles I can find prior to today with
Ghezali's name in them appear to be articles from various news organizations pointing out the problems caused by Gitmo detainees who are released and go back to terrorist ways. He's repeatedly held up as a bad example; I can't find any articles holding him up as a victim of some sort. There may be some of them, I haven't read them all.

But what the hell. Why ruin a good smear with facts?

 

[billc]

Well here is a little more from the article...

He was released to Sweden on July 8, 2004. And guess how much he meant to the Swedish? He was flown home to Sweden by the Swedish Air Force on a Gulfstream IV jet, at the expense of the Swedish government.
Ghazali joined a July 4, 2006 demonstration held outside the U.S. Embassy in Stockholm, Sweden calling for the closure of the Guantanamo Bay facility.
But the liberal Swedes weren’t done with nurturing Ghazali yet. He was arrested in September of 2009 in Punjab, Pakistan, on suspicions of having ties to al-Qaeda; Pakistani police chief Mohammad Rizwan described Ghezali as "a very dangerous man". But the Swedish newspaper The Local described his actions as "a harmless meeting with a Muslim revivalist movement, Tablighi Jamaat."
One month later, Ghezali was released to Sweden. The Swedish Ambassador even accompanied him on the flight home.

I hope you enjoy this as much as the first bit...

Here is a little more...

http://www.timesofisrael.com/bulgar...-bomber-who-killed-israelis-as-mehdi-ghezali/

Following a lobbying effort by Swedish prime minister Göran Persson, Guantanamo authorities recommended Ghezali be transferred to another country for continued detainment, and he was handed over to Swedish authorities in 2004. The Swedish government did not press charges.
A 2005 Swedish documentary about the Guantanamo Bay detention camp starred Ghezali, who detailed his experience in American custody.

From wikipedia...

Hans Göran Persson (Swedish pronunciation: [ˈʝœːran ˈpæːʂɔn]) (born 20 January 1949) was the Prime Minister of Sweden from 1996 to 2006 and the leader of the Swedish Social Democratic Party from 1996 to 2007. He was Minister for Finance from 1994 to 1996.

The Swedish Social Democratic Workers' Party, (Swedish: Sveriges socialdemokratiska arbetareparti, SAP; literally, "Social Democratic Workers' Party of Sweden"), contesting elections as 'the Workers' Party – the Social Democrats' (Arbetarepartiet-Socialdemokraterna), or sometimes referred to just as 'the Social Democrats' (Socialdemokraterna) and most commonly as Sossarna(plural of sosse); is the oldest and largest political party in Sweden. The party was founded in 1889. In 1917, a schism occurred when the left socialists split from the Social Democrats to form the Swedish Social Democratic Left Party (now the Left Party). The symbol of the SAP is traditionally a red rose, which is believed to have been Fredrik Ström's idea.[SUP][citation needed][/SUP]
The Social Democratic Party's position has a theoretical base within Marxist revisionism. Its party program interchangeably calls their ideology democratic socialism, or social democracy.

Hmmmm...I wonder if this is a party of the "left" or the "right?"

I hope the people who made this documentary are also proud...they used this guy in the film...

A 2005 Swedish documentary about the Guantanamo Bay detention camp starred Ghezali, who detailed his experience in American custody.

 

[Bill Mattocks]

Well here is a little more from the article...

I hope you enjoy this as much as the first bit...

From the article you quoted in your OP:

"With all the help Ghezali received from the liberal media and liberal governments, it’s obvious they have blood on their hands. But the blood is Israeli, so don’t expect the Left to shed a single tear."

What media?

 

[billc]

Hmmm...from wikipedia...media coverage of gitmo...

Media representations

• Harold & Kumar Escape from Guantanamo Bay, 2008 comedy film
• The Road to Guantánamo, 2006 film about the Tipton Three
• Guantanamo - American Officer Tortures Prisoners and Murders Investigator in an Iranian TV Drama, 2006 Iranian drama shown on Al-Kawthar TV and noted by the Middle East Media Research Institute
• Camp Delta, Guantanamo 2006, France culture.com, April 30, 2006—a radio feature by Frank Smith.
• Five Years of My Life: An Innocent Man in Guantanamo, a memoir by Murat Kurnaz.
• Frontline: The Torture Question (2005), a PBS documentary that traces the history of how decisions made in Washington in the immediate aftermath of September 11 led to a robust interrogation policy that laid the groundwork for prisoner abuse in Afghanistan, Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, and Iraq's Abu Ghraib prison.[SUP][264][/SUP]
• Gitmo – The New Rules of War, an award winning Swedish documentary by Erik Gandini and Tarik Saleh/ATMO, raises some of the issues concerning the nature of the interrogation processes, through interviews with previous Guantánamo and Abu Ghraib personnel. It has won several awards including 1st prize-Seattle International Film Festival ’06
• Habeas Schmabeas, an episode of the radio program This American Life produced by Chicago Public Radio, discussed the conditions at the facility, the legal justifications and arguments surrounding the detention of prisoners there, and the history of the principle of Habeas Corpus. It also features interviews with two former detainees. The episode won a 2006 Peabody Award.[SUP][265][/SUP]
• Prisoner 345 (2006) details the case of Al Jazeera cameraman Sami Al Hajj, detained at the camp since 2002.
• Taxi to the Dark Side (2007) gives an in-depth look at the torture practices, focusing on an innocent taxi driver in Afghanistan who was tortured and killed in 2002.
• GITMO: Inside the Wire (2008) an hour-long documentary by film-maker David Miller and journalist Yvonne Ridley after the two were given unprecedented access to the camp in May 2008. It has won several awards including a nomination at the Roma TV Festival in 2009
• Prisonnier à Guantanamo (2008) Mollah Abdul Salam Zaeef and Jean-Michel Caradec'h. Paris. France. EDGV/Documents. ISBN 978-2-84267-945-3. Memoirs of the ex-ambassador of Taliban government in Pakistan.
• New York (2009), an Indian movie about an American Muslim of Indian origin being detained at the U.S. prison.
• Outside The Law: Stories From Guantánamo (2009) a British documentary, featuring interviews with previous Guantánamo detainees, a former U.S. Military Chaplain at Guantánamo Bay and human rights organisations such as Cageprisoners Ltd.
• A Base de Guantanamo (The Guantánamo Bay) is the Sixth song of the 2009 album Zii e Zie by Caetano Veloso
• Protest Against Obama Guantanamo Policy The Real News (video) - January 16, 2011

[edit]

Perhaps these few examples of the slanted coverage by American and international media on just what Gitmo is, is what the article is referring to...

And...

and liberal governments

I believe at least one liberal government was covered in my previous post, the one that kept releasing this guy...

 

[Bill Mattocks]

Hmmm...from wikipedia...media coverage of gitmo...

[edit]

Perhaps these few examples of the slanted coverage by American and international media on just what Gitmo is, is what the article is referring to...

And...

I believe at least one liberal government was covered in my previous post, the one that kept releasing this guy...

"With all the help Ghezali received from the liberal media and liberal governments, it’s obvious they have blood on their hands. But the blood is Israeli, so don’t expect the Left to shed a single tear."

Any of that aimed at Ghezali? Hmmm?

Lots of media focused on Gitmo, including right-wing publications and libertarian media that believed that Gitmo was not lawful according to the rules of war, and those who had a problem with torture. Funny you're not blaming them also for Ghezali.

I have and continue to be opposed to torture - not that this is about torture, but you dragged it in with your links to the media stores against it.

I have and am also opposed to indefinite detention without trial. I have always said try them and put them in prison if guilty - hell, stand 'em up and shoot them if guilty - and let them go if innocent, but give them TRIALS.

So I suppose I'm guilty of this bombing as well? Maybe just a little bit?

So if I'm not in favor of indefinite confinement without trial and against torture, I'm in favor of terrorists blowing up buses filled with Israelis, eh?

Go on, make that case.

 

[Bill Mattocks]

It will be interesting to see if this is really the guy in any case:

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diploma...hdi-ghezali-is-burgas-suicide-bomber-1.452314

Swedish and Bulgarian officials denied Thursday that Mehdi Ghezali, a Swedish citizen of Algerian descent, is responsible for the attack against Israelis in Bulgaria a day earlier.

Bulgarian media reported earlier Thursday that the suspected suicide bomber who blew up a bus of Israeli tourists in Burgas, which killed seven people and wounded 34, was Ghezali, who is a 33-year-old former detainee of Guantanamo.

Several hours after the name was circulated in Israeli and global media, Swedish officials were quoted by the Swedish news agency TT as saying that Mehdi Ghezali was not the bomber behind the Burgas attack.

Moreover, Bulgarian officials told ABC news that the bombing suspect's name that has been circulating on the web is incorrect.

Earlier Thursday, Bulgarian media reported that the man responsible for the attack was Mehdi Ghezali, a 33-year-old Swedish citizen of Algerian descent and former Guantanamo detainee.

Not saying that is isn't this guy, but at the moment, it appears that earlier reporters are backing away from that and saying it was a mistake. We'll see.

 

[billc]

Yes, there was no bias in the coverage of what gitmo was and is and who the detainees were. The "peaceful shepard," scooped up by thuggish American troops was how the detainees were portrayed, and the actual process of getting these guys to trial was always covered in a biased way. These guys represent a new kind of threat and the media refused to see that. They do not belong to a country, so releasing them back to a country will not control their behavior when they are released. Prisoners from war, who are lawful combatants, cease fighting and killing when the war is concluded and they are sent home. That isn't possible with these guys, and the media never covered that aspect fairly. That is what this guy is pointing to with his comment on the liberal media. Well, this "Peaceful Shepard tending his flock," went home, went to Bulgaria and killed people.

Hmmm...considering the effort the Swedish government went to to get this guy released, it is funny that they would deny he is the killer isn't it?

 

[WC_lun]

As vested in the guy not being the guilty party as you claim the Swedes are, you seem to have a more vested interest that he is guilty. Also, it is the US's own fault the guy was released. If he was guilty of crimes he should have been tried and convicted, instead of held without trial. If he was convicted of a crime, it would have been much harder for any country to have him released. We had a flawed aproach to these men, which long term allowed terrorist to be released. Terrorism is a crime and therefor those terrorist should have been tried, even if by a military court. Otherwise they were lawful combatants and cannot be held indefinitley according to agreements we oursleves helped write. This is why they are being tried now. You cannot truthfully blame the left or media for this problem.

 

[Bob Hubbard]

I know perspective's something no one wants when doing a good bash but lets put some out there, along with some facts. *boo* *hiss*

# of people who have been through Gitmo:

Total number of detainees ever incarcerated at Guantánamo: 779

Detainees released under President Bush: over 500

Detainees at start of Obama Presidency: 242

Number of 242 detainees approved for release: 126

Detainees transferred, repatriated or resettled under Obama: 70

Detainees transferred to US for prosecution: 1

Detainees who died in custody since January 2009: 3

Detainees currently held at Guantánamo: 169

Remaining detainees approved for release: 87

Detainees convicted by military commission before 2009 and still held at Guantánamo: 110

Detainees Obama Administration designated for trial or commission including those tried since January
2009: 36.11

Detainees Obama Administration has designated for indefinite detention without charge or trial: 46
Yemenis not included in above totals under conditional detention: 30
Number of countries that have accepted Guantánamo detainees: 51

Source:
[h=3]Guantánamo by the Numbers[/h]www.humanrightsfirst.org/.../USLS-Fact-Sheet-Gitmo-Number...
File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - Quick View

So, 779 detained, Bush II released 500+, Obama 70

According to CNN, of those released "Contrary to recent assertions that one in seven, or 14 percent, of the former prisoners had "returned to the battlefield," our analysis of Pentagon reports, news stories and other public records indicates that the number who were confirmed or suspected to be involved in anti-U.S. violence is closer to one in 25, or 4 percent."

Meaning out of 570 released inmates, 23 went back to being jackasses.

So because 23 went back to terrorism, should the other 547 been kept in prison indefinitely?

Yes or no to that question. Don't Obama it by writing 400 paragraphs of text that says nothing.

Yes or no?

 

[elder999]

So, I've got one thing to say here.

Put me in Guantanamo for however many years. Don't let me contact my family. Treat me outside of international law and human decency. Play rap and heavy metal to me for 24 hours a day. Waterboard me? Then .......Let me go?

I'm gonna go out someplace and kill some mother****ers.


Guantanamo bay detention facility-making better terrorists out of simple terrorists for 11 years......

 

[billc]

No, they should undergo military tribunals to determine if they are guilty since they were captured overseas on battlefields, not in the United States.

 

[billc]

Yes, I guess gitmo produced the attack on the World Trade Center the first time, and then on 9/11, and the attack on our embassies in Africa, and the attack on the U.S.S Cole, and the bombings and murders that happened before gitmo was opened...Oh, wait. Gitmo didn't exist then. Oh, they were so offended that in the future, in reaction to "alleged" terrorist attacks, the U.S. might open a detention facility to deal with a new brand of war criminal, that they decided to attack all those American targets. I get it.

 

[CanuckMA]

Well here is a little more from the article...



I hope you enjoy this as much as the first bit...

Here is a little more...

http://www.timesofisrael.com/bulgar...-bomber-who-killed-israelis-as-mehdi-ghezali/



From wikipedia...





Hmmmm...I wonder if this is a party of the "left" or the "right?"

I hope the people who made this documentary are also proud...they used this guy in the film...

The man is a Swedish citizen, held without proof and trial in a freign prison. Of course Sweden will try to get him released.

We're geting Omar Kadrh back. And he was convicted. But he is a Canadian.

 

[billc]

I'm sure that the victims in Bulgaria will appreciate Sweden's efforts on this guys behalf considering his clear ties to terrorism.

 

[Bob Hubbard]

I guess it's better 1,000 innocent rot in jail than 1 guilty go free to harm again huh?

 

[billc]

Hmmm...I believe I said a little something about military tribunals. This guy didn't go through a military tribunal to determine his guilt it seems, and he was released anyway. Is that a better system than military tribunals? It didn't seem to work for those Jewish people in Bulgaria. It also seems like there were an awful lot of these guys released under Bush, so there was, as I already knew, a program of review for these monsters. The ones who didn't seem to actually be monsters, and were actually "peaceful sheepherders tending their flocks, on the battlefield," were released, so the 1000 left to rot doesn't quite fit the description of gitmo either. I have heard accounts of how people were selected to go to gitmo, actual treatment at gitmo and now the release information, and considering the situation, it was a pretty good system.

 

[Big Don]

Under the Geneva conventions unlawful combatants may be summarily executed. Had this guy been summarily executed, his victims would be alive and well today.

 

[Bob Hubbard]

It was a great system. Water boards, chains, naked romps, totally legal.

 

[billc]

The victims in Bulgaria might still be around. Who was more worthy of their fate, him or them. Keep in mind, he should have been put through a military tribunal, where he may have been sentenced and kept.