Mastermind of Ambassadors murder?

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Well, info. on the terrorist behind the murder or our Ambassador is now coming out...

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2012/09/19/Qumu-attacker-Libya-ally-of-sorts-US

Tonight, Bret Baier of Fox News reported that intelligence sources believe that the mastermind of the al Qaeda attack on our Libyan consulate is one Sufyan Ben Qumu.

Qumu was released from Guantanamo Bay in 2007 to the Qaddafi-led Libyan government, on the condition that Libya and the US could reach a “satisfactory agreement … that allows access to detainee and/or access to exploited intelligence.” In 2008, as the Qaddafi government made nice with the Libyan rebels, Qumu was released.

That’s where the story gets even more interesting. The Obama administration promptly labeled Qumu an “ally of sorts,” according to the New York Times – that despite the fact that as of 2005, he was known as a “medium to high risk … likely to pose a threat to the US, its interests and allies.” What made him an ally? According to the Times, that status change was due to the Obama administration’s “remarkable turnabout resulting from shifting American policies rather than any obvious change in Mr. Qumu.” As a leader of the Libyan rebels, head of the Darnah Brigade, Qumu received support from NATO. And unnamed Western observers, according to the Times, felt that Qumu wasn’t a real threat: “We’re more worried about Al Qaeda infiltration from outside than the indigenous ones … Most of them have a local agenda so they don’t present as much as a threat to the West.”

For those who don't like Fox news...here is the source of the story from the New York Times...no wonder obama is blaming the attack on a movie...

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/25/w...dxnnlx=1347728400-2My68hL/Qqy52SG0reimIg&_r=1

DARNAH, Libya — For more than five years, Abu Sufian Ibrahim Ahmed Hamuda bin Qumu was a prisoner at the Guantánamo Bay prison, judged “a probable member of Al Qaeda” by the analysts there. They concluded in a newly disclosed 2005 assessment that his release would represent a “medium to high risk, as he is likely to pose a threat to the U.S., its interests and allies.”
 

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Mastermind? You're giving this punk too much credit. Really, a Mastermind? No wonder these wannabe terrorists want to do what they do.
 

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but in 2007 President Obama was not even the Democratic nominee, right?
 

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but in 2007 President Obama was not even the Democratic nominee, right?

The Republicans are wise to his secret.
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It comes down to the fact that there are monsters in Gitmo who cannot be released, no matter how much many here in the states would like to do it. It wasn't a good idea when Bush had the policy of releasing these guys to "friendly" governments for detention, and it won't work in the future. We can't trust islamic countries to keep these terrorists locked up. Unfortunately, we can't necessarily take these guys into a U.S. court. They were captured in foreign countries by soldiers, no miranda rights were given, the witnesses will be hard to find again, and the rules of evidence don't apply to unlawful enemy combatants captured on the battlefield. We are in a position that isn't easily resolved.

Obama's hand in this, backing the Libyan rebels without taking into account what would happen after qaddafi was removed. This is the same complaint people made about helping the mujahadeen in Afghanistan against the soviets, and then not following through. Obama repeated the mistake here.

Now obama is planning on making an even bigger mistake, releasing the "Blind sheik" the man responsible for the first attack on the world trade center. There is a credible rumor that obama wants to transfer custody of this monster to Egypt, and the muslim brotherhood. Here is the story...

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/international/eyes_blind_sheik_release_0MFMrnamOFxtIJKJLpTQNL

The Obama administration is weighing the release of blind Sheik Omar Abdel-Rahman — the spiritual adviser to the 1993 World Trade Center bombers — in a stunning goodwill gesture toward Egypt that has touched off a political firestorm, officials said yesterday.

The Egyptian government “asked for his release,” an administration source told The Post — and Rep. Peter King (R-LI) confirmed the request is being considered.
The White House, State Department and Justice Department each issued statements denying any deal is in the works, but, “There’s no way to believe anything they say,” said Andrew McCarthy, the former assistant US attorney who prosecuted Abdel-Rahman. “I believe there may already be a nod-and-wink agreement in place.”

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Abdel-Rahman, 74, was convicted in 1995 of plotting terror attacks throughout the city and is locked away in the medical wing of the Butner Federal Correctional Institution in North Carolina.

He remains revered in his native Egypt, and his supporters have demonstrated throughout Cairo for his freedom.
Newly elected Egyptian President Mohamed Morsi, a member of the radical Muslim Brotherhood, has publicly vowed to press the United States to turn over the sightless sheik.
His incarceration was the subject of Arabic-language message-board rants two days before protesters stormed the US Embassy in Cairo and later killed the American ambassador to Libya, Christopher Stevens, according to a Department of Homeland Security report obtained by Fox News.
They wrote he should be released, “even if it requires burning the embassy down with everyone in it.”

 

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Now obama is planning on making an even bigger mistake, releasing the "Blind sheik" the man responsible for the first attack on the world trade center. There is a credible rumor that obama wants to transfer custody of this monster to Egypt, and the muslim brotherhood.

National Security Council spokesman Tommy Vietor said last night, “The blind sheik is going to serve out his life sentence. There are no discussions about transferring him. These reports are wrong.”

Justice spokesman Dean Boyd added, “Suggestions that the US government is planning to transfer or release the blind sheik to Egypt are totally false and absolutely baseless. He remains in federal prison where he is serving a life sentence for terrorism violations.”

So just where is the verification that this is even remotely likely to happen? From a Republican with what I would call extremist views in an election year. Mmm!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_C._McCarthy
 
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From wikipedia...

Andrew C. McCarthy III is a former Assistant United States Attorney for the Southern District of New York. A Republican, he is most notable for leading the 1995 terrorism prosecution against Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman and eleven others. The defendants were convicted of the 1993 World Trade Center bombing and planning a series of attacks against New York City landmarks.[SUP][1][/SUP] He also contributed to the prosecutions of terrorists who bombed US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania. He resigned from the Justice Department in 2003. He is currently a columnist for National Review.
 

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Yes, yes, releasing those still in Gitmo to the care of a Federal penitiary used to housing dangerous felons would put the US so at risk. Those terrorist would be able to do sooo much from the confines of a max security prison! You do remember why Gitmo wasn't closed don't you? It had to do with the incarceration in Federal prisons not being funded. More not well thought out or just purposeful decietful post to make the "other team" look bad.
 

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From wikipedia...

Andrew C. McCarthy III is a former Assistant United States Attorney for the Southern District of New York. A Republican, he is most notable for leading the 1995 terrorism prosecution against Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman and eleven others. The defendants were convicted of the 1993 World Trade Center bombing and planning a series of attacks against New York City landmarks.[1] He also contributed to the prosecutions of terrorists who bombed US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania. He resigned from the Justice Department in 2003. He is currently a columnist for National Review.
What the heck. May as well put in the rest!

He has defended the practice of waterboarding as not necessarily being torture, and as necessary in some situations to prosecute the War on Terror whilst admitting that "waterboarding is close enough to torture that reasonable minds can differ on whether it is torture".


During the 2008 presidential election campaign, Andrew McCarthy wrote a number of posts on the National Review's Corner blog stating that he thought that Democratic Presidential candidate, Barack Obama, was not serious about protecting US national security against threats from radical Islam and elsewhere, and that Obama had a number of troubling ties and associations with leftist radicals.


In an opinion posted on the blog 'the Corner' on 10/22/08, Mr. McCarthy wrote "I believe that the issue of Obama's personal radicalism, including his collaboration with radical, America-hating Leftists, should have been disqualifying."


In May 2009, Mr. McCarthy provided details of a letter declining an invitation from Attorney General Eric Holder for a round-table meeting with President Barack Obama concerning the status of people detained in the War on Terror. Mr. McCarthy noted his dissension with the administration in their policies regarding the detainees. On December 5, 2009 he came out publicly against prosecuting Islamic terrorists in civil courts rather than military tribunals, saying "A war is a war. A war is not a crime, and you don’t bring your enemies to a courthouse."


McCarthy has recently spoken out against the War in Afghanistan, saying that the War benefits the Afghans while hurting American interests, and that the United States should be concerned solely with its interests.


Despite his national security conservatism, McCarthy also espouses strong libertarian views, and favours the abolition of Medicare, which he calls a fraud and a Ponzi scheme greater than that perpetrated by Bernie Madoff. He says that the goals of the original proponents of Medicare was to get a foot in the door for full out socialized medicine, under a single payer system.
Seems to me to be a totally independent source with mainstream views! Not!!!
 
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Hmmm...just can't wait to close down gitmo...

http://dailycaller.com/2012/09/23/d...odyguards-for-release-or-transfer-from-gitmo/

President Barack Obama and Attorney General Eric Holder have approved one of Osama bin Laden’s personal bodyguards for release or transfer from the Guantanamo Bay detention center to another country, according to prison records released by WikiLeaks and a recently published list of approved-transfer detainees from the Justice Department.
Idris Ahmad Abdu Qadir Idris is the second name on Holder’s Justice Department list of 55 Gitmo detainees approved for release or transfer. This detainee, according to a Jan. 26, 2008, Defense Department document published by WikiLeaks, provided security for bin Laden both before and after the deadly Sept. 11 terrorist attacks on the United States.
“Detainee is assessed to be a member of al-Qaida and was identified as a bodyguard for Usama Bin Laden (UBL) beginning shortly before the 11 September 2001 terrorist attacks. Detainee is also assessed to be an al-Qaida recruiter associated with a Salafist network in Yemen,” the document reads. “Detainee transited through multiple extremist support guesthouses, received militant training at the al-Qaida al-Faruq Training Camp in Afghanistan (AF), and is assessed to have received advanced training.”
“Detainee fled UBL’s Tora Bora Mountain complex with a group of 30 fighters including other UBL bodyguards, collectively known as the Dirty 30,” the document states. “Detainee’s name was found on al-Qaida affiliated documents.”
The Defense Department considers Idris a “high risk” if released from custody, meaning that he is “likely to pose a threat to the US, its interests and allies.”
 

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President Barack Obama and Attorney General Eric Holder have approved one of Osama bin Laden’s personal bodyguards for release or transfer from the Guantanamo Bay detention center to another country, according to prison records released by WikiLeaks and a recently published list of approved-transfer detainees from the Justice Department.
Bill, with executive government the President approves decisions made by bureaucrats. It is just possible the people responsible for this decision might even be Republicans! :asian:
 

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