Elliot Rodgers: a Bizarre Fact

[granfire]

Easy to find oppression when your activity trying to find it even when it's not there

Take the fingers out of your ears.

 

[MartialMellow]

Mr. Rodgers has had mental problems for many years. One cannot blame a film genre.

 

[Touch Of Death]

Just ask the women in your life. And when they tell you listen!
It's really that simple.


Killer Elliot Rodger's rants inspired #YesAllWomen tweets - CNN.com

At that point they always sound like the teachers in the "Peanuts" cartoon, "Whaaaah, Whaah, Whhaaah....".

 

[wingchun100]

Mr. Rodgers has had mental problems for many years. One cannot blame a film genre.

Thank God for the invention of movies. Now our murderers and rapists can lay the blame elsewhere. If they had caught Jack the Ripper, he would have been screwed. Why? No movies to blame it on!

 

[wingchun100]

What struck me in one of the articles I read about this today was the number of outright sexual assaults and criminal sexual behaviors that are played for laughs or otherwise run off in movies. Things like rape by disguise (Revenge of the Nerds), pimping of a girl so drunk as to be helpless (Pretty in Pink), stalking behaviors (several) played as eventually "winning" the girl's heart... Several movies, when you think about it, are built on the premise of a girl having no worth except her looks... or based on a girl essentially selling herself as at least an escort to boost a geeky guy's popularity (one example is Can't Buy Me Love). How often does a TV show or movie or book glamorize a guy ignoring clear "No"s to force himself on a woman. Folks... that's RAPE. I'm not in agreement with the whole rape/fear industry out there -- but it shocked me when I started to think about how often we look at something on TV that's rape or sexual assault, and glamorize it.

I agree with you there. One article described a scene in REVENGE OF THE NERDS where the nerd pretends to be a jock, then reveals his face. I can't imagine that would fly over well with a female in REAL life.

And there's the difference: REAL life vs. REEL life. It's a damn shame that some people can't tell the difference, but you CANNOT hold writers/actors/directors responsible for not knowing their movie will trigger some maniac that they have never met. That's all I was trying to say with this post. Instead it has turned into a feminist rant about how we are all closet rapists for watching these movies or TV shows.

 

[jks9199]

Mr. Rodgers has had mental problems for many years. One cannot blame a film genre.

The movies, tv shows, etc. didn't make him do this. Nor are they responsible for it. But some of the stuff presented and seeds planted may have contributed or perhaps steered someone who was already off-kilter.

Violent movies and video games don't make people become violent -- but they can condition people to be MORE violent or more comfortable with violence. Exposure to sexually themed tv or movies doesn't make people go out and have sex -- but it can prime the pump or make things seem more normal that aren't. Painting a picture that it's OK to disguise yourself to sleep with a girl who thinks she's in bed with someone else, or that if you're only persistent enough, the girl'll come around for the geek she's not interested in... Yep, it can make someone who already has a problem with his self-image feel even more inadequate.

 

[jks9199]

I agree with you there. One article described a scene in REVENGE OF THE NERDS where the nerd pretends to be a jock, then reveals his face. I can't imagine that would fly over well with a female in REAL life.

And there's the difference: REAL life vs. REEL life. It's a damn shame that some people can't tell the difference, but you CANNOT hold writers/actors/directors responsible for not knowing their movie will trigger some maniac that they have never met. That's all I was trying to say with this post. Instead it has turned into a feminist rant about how we are all closet rapists for watching these movies or TV shows.

That's not exactly what I'm trying to say. I don't think that every guy who got a grin out of the geek getting the girl secretly wanted to do the same thing, any more than they might all want to burn the building down and steal millions like in Office Space. I'm certainly not saying that the entertainment industry is responsible for the actions of this guy or anyone else. But do they maybe have a duty or obligation to consider the broader aspect of what they portray? And do we, as the consumer, perhaps have a duty to step back, and think, and question whether we really want to watch rapes and stalking? Or at least to make sure that our kids and others don't put up with it?

Why have a lot of the racist jokes dropped out of regular consciousness?

 

[wingchun100]

The movies, tv shows, etc. didn't make him do this. Nor are they responsible for it. But some of the stuff presented and seeds planted may have contributed or perhaps steered someone who was already off-kilter.

Violent movies and video games don't make people become violent -- but they can condition people to be MORE violent or more comfortable with violence. Exposure to sexually themed tv or movies doesn't make people go out and have sex -- but it can prime the pump or make things seem more normal that aren't. Painting a picture that it's OK to disguise yourself to sleep with a girl who thinks she's in bed with someone else, or that if you're only persistent enough, the girl'll come around for the geek she's not interested in... Yep, it can make someone who already has a problem with his self-image feel even more inadequate.

Well if we take that stance, then we might as well not make movies anymore EVER because we cannot possibly know what scene would trigger some already-unstable personality.

 

[ballen0351]

Take the fingers out of your ears.

As soon as you stop looking for the boogie man behind every opened door and friendly male smile

 

[wingchun100]

As soon as you stop looking for the boogie man behind every opened door and friendly male smile

No matter how friendly a guy is, once he disagrees with her assessment that we are all immature rapists/murderers who take what we want when a woman tells us "no," then we are just another boogie man. Basically, all men are scum and we should all walk around groveling all the time asking for forgiveness (which will never come, by the way) for what scum we are.

You know what? I'm glad this site has an ignore list.

 

[Tgace]

We have to be careful...any male trying to discuss the politics of the feminist movement risks automatic listing onto the roster of the "he-man women haters club".

 

[wingchun100]

We have to be careful...any male trying to discuss the politics of the feminist movement risks automatic listing onto the roster of the "he-man women haters club".

LOL For some reason you just made me think of a quote from Mark Lanegan, lead singer of the Screaming Trees. They were asked to play on the 1996 Lollapalooza tour, which also featured Metallica and Soundgarden. He referred to it as the "hairy balled he-man tour."

Sorry, the "he-man" was what caused the tenuous connection in my brain.

 

[Tgace]

LOL For some reason you just made me think of a quote from Mark Lanegan, lead singer of the Screaming Trees. They were asked to play on the 1996 Lollapalooza tour, which also featured Metallica and Soundgarden. He referred to it as the "hairy balled he-man tour."

Sorry, the "he-man" was what caused the tenuous connection in my brain.

 

[elder999]

I'm sorry-has anyone looked at this guy's video?

That guy was pretty good looking, and articulate-he should have been able to get laid plenty in California.....

I'd posit-given that as a nerd, and a not-particularly good looking one, I still got my fair share of girls in H.S. and college-that it wasn't nerdiness or unattractiveness that kept him from finding companionship.

Dude was a creep, I'm sure-you can be all kinds of odd, and get all kinds of girlds: wear a kilt all the time, even if you're black. Ride a velocipede. Cosxplay, ren-fair, rocket club, ham radio, build catapults-don't matter much to women, as long as you know how to be nice, and don't smell too-bad.

Creep 'em out, though? That's the ultimate in birth-control.

 

[wingchun100]

I'm sorry-has anyone looked at this guy's video?

That guy was pretty good looking, and articulate-he should have been able to get laid plenty in California.....

I'd posit-given that as a nerd, and a not-particularly good looking one, I still got my fair share of girls in H.S. and college-that it wasn't nerdiness or unattractiveness that kept him from finding companionship.

Dude was a creep, I'm sure-you can be all kinds of odd, and get all kinds of girlds: wear a kilt all the time, even if you're black. Ride a velocipede. Cosxplay, ren-fair, rocket club, ham radio, build catapults-don't matter much to women, as long as you know how to be nice, and don't smell too-bad.

Creep 'em out, though? That's the ultimate in birth-control.

And unfortunately, most creeps don't KNOW they are creeps. Even if a woman tells them flat out, they think she is just being a princess. I know a guy who told me this story: he had a female friend that he met in college. They got along great. He enjoyed talking with her SO MUCH that he found out her entire class schedule...and then showed up to wait for her outside every class so they could chat as they walked to the next one. (I can only imagine her body language as they strolled!) At the conclusion of his story, he said, "She suddenly stopped talking to me. I never found out why!"

I knew why, but I didn't want to tell him. Instead I made an excuse to leave the area, and then *I* never talked to him again either!

 

[granfire]

Take the fingers out of your ears.

At that point they always sound like the teachers in the "Peanuts" cartoon, "Whaaaah, Whaah, Whhaaah....".

Thank God for the invention of movies. Now our murderers and rapists can lay the blame elsewhere. If they had caught Jack the Ripper, he would have been screwed. Why? No movies to blame it on!

Well if we take that stance, then we might as well not make movies anymore EVER because we cannot possibly know what scene would trigger some already-unstable personality.

As soon as you stop looking for the boogie man behind every opened door and friendly male smile

No matter how friendly a guy is, once he disagrees with her assessment that we are all immature rapists/murderers who take what we want when a woman tells us "no," then we are just another boogie man. Basically, all men are scum and we should all walk around groveling all the time asking for forgiveness (which will never come, by the way) for what scum we are.

You know what? I'm glad this site has an ignore list.

Didn't take long to get a collection of these together.....

Especially the last one is a gem.

You don't like what you read, so put the poster on ignore which is the forum equivalent to putting your fingers in your ears.....

Need I say more?

A lot of talk, gentlemen, but nobody listens.
I know at least one of you is married, but have you bothered to ask the women in your life if they never came across an entitled creeper?

There is a lot going on that does not make the police reports.
Heck, there is a lot going on that the best friend won't be told until years later!

 

[Touch Of Death]

Didn't take long to get a collection of these together.....

Especially the last one is a gem.

You don't like what you read, so put the poster on ignore which is the forum equivalent to putting your fingers in your ears.....

Need I say more?

A lot of talk, gentlemen, but nobody listens.
I know at least one of you is married, but have you bothered to ask the women in your life if they never came across an entitled creeper?

There is a lot going on that does not make the police reports.
Heck, there is a lot going on that the best friend won't be told until years later!

I have dated some entitled creepers, and oddly enough they were women.

 

[wingchun100]

I have dated some entitled creepers, and oddly enough they were women.

Thank you! I forgot to mention the time when I broke up with this one girlfriend, who then proceeded to take a cab from where she lived to my house (no joke, probably came to a $100 ride) and then, when I told her it was over and didn't have more to say to her, she started screaming "RAPE!!!!" when it was midnight, and I had elderly downstairs neighbors.

 

[wingchun100]

So if someone doesn't agree with you, it means they are sticking their fingers in their ears simply because they don't like what you have to say. Well, when all you have to do is spew the same anti-male message over and over again, you're right...I DON'T want to hear it. If all men were evil psychopaths, then why would there be male officers and lawyers whose job it is to LOCK UP the "entitled creepers" that they catch before it's too late?

 

[Touch Of Death]

Abandonment issues are always fun. They sit and dream of ways to force you to abandon them.