Effective Technique

[Steve]

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found one against a shark.

LOL. Well, that's interesting. Not quite what I was looking for, but it's good to know that if I'm attacked by a shark, an eye gouge works. And, as a bonus, it doesn't look like this guy was prosecuted for assault. So, win-win.

 

[K-man]

yeah cant imagine who mentioned eye attacks.

Oh boy! You really don't get anything do you? Reaching for the eyes is nothing to do with eye gouging, not that I would bother to do that against a front choke anyway. It is an option but not the best option.

 

[K-man]

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found one against a shark.

Lol! Good one, but even then I would have said that the shark was the attacker and the swimmer the victim. As I said in my post I am not aware of a victim being jailed. Even so, in this instance it doesn't say it was an eye gouge. It was an eye poke. I think you would have great difficulty eye gouging a four metre Great White.

But in a circular way this has backed up what was said in the first place. I said that attacking the eyes was a valid technique. You said it wasn't and you could withstand someone with his thumbs in your eyes. That makes you far stronger than the shark and everyone else I know. Congratulations. Perhaps we could get the crew out from Fight Science to document it.

 

[K-man]

I know a case where the person who did gouge out eyes didn't go to prison. He was a soldier in Aldershot Garrison, he got angry at his mate, attacked him, beat him and gouged his eyes out, literally. That soldier is now blind and the attacker is not in prison, he's in a secure mental hospital (Broadmoor) as he's regarded as dangerously insane, he didn't go to trial because he was 'sectioned' and it's very unlikely he will ever be released.

I stand corrected and suitably chastised.

 

[Tez3]

I stand corrected and suitably chastised.

I should think so!
It was a horrible case, he was brought up to the psyche unit at Catterick first, he had two huge Fijian soldiers with him at all times, ( he wasn't Fijian it's just they are big handy lads, I expect you have seen plenty of them) and an armed escort to Broadmoor. I think to look at it unemotionally the only way the eye gouge worked was because he was rabid and attacked in a frenzy, so the victim didn't stand a chance. It's a far more difficult thing to do than I think people imagine, not because there's an emotional holding back but because the eyes are actually more protected than people think. If you are attacked you want easy techniques not difficult ones.

 

[K-man]

I should think so!
It was a horrible case, he was brought up to the psyche unit at Catterick first, he had two huge Fijian soldiers with him at all times, ( he wasn't Fijian it's just they are big handy lads, I expect you have seen plenty of them) and an armed escort to Broadmoor. I think to look at it unemotionally the only way the eye gouge worked was because he was rabid and attacked in a frenzy, so the victim didn't stand a chance. It's a far more difficult thing to do than I think people imagine, not because there's an emotional holding back but because the eyes are actually more protected than people think. If you are attacked you want easy techniques not difficult ones.

Interesting that Drop Bear brought up about going for the eyes to make a shark release you, something I've kept at the back of my mind when diving. We have big salt water crocodiles in Northern Australia, our number one predator. I heard people say and thought that you could do the same thing with them until a guy talking about the crocs pointed out that salties can actually retract their eyes in and back behind the bone. Moral of the story, don't tangle with either.

 

[Tez3]

Interesting that Drop Bear brought up about going for the eyes to make a shark release you, something I've kept at the back of my mind when diving. We have big salt water crocodiles in Northern Australia, our number one predator. I heard people say and thought that you could do the same thing with them until a guy talking about the crocs pointed out that salties can actually retract their eyes in and back behind the bone. Moral of the story, don't tangle with either.

Seems eyes aren't best bit to aim for on a shark Poking Sharks Eyes and Noses - HowStuffWorks

 

[K-man]

Seems eyes aren't best bit to aim for on a shark Poking Sharks Eyes and Noses - HowStuffWorks

Actually, I find swimming with sharks one of the most rewarding experiences you can have diving. Sharks are just like Ferraris ... beautiful, fast and potentially lethal. They are graceful and swim without effort yet when they push the button their acceleration is phenomenal. For them to allow you to swim with them is a privilege that most people could never understand.

 

[Aiki Lee]

For me it is quite simplistic, but probably somewhat naive. I don't think that eye gouges in any context. Messing with someone's sight is just plain wrong. That is my concerted viewpoint!

I disagree with your view then. While it is extremely unlikely that most people would need to resort to that level of violence, I see no moral reason preventing this tactic to secure your own safety.

Ok. For me it started with neck attacks and i mentioned that i have had a lot of success with c chokes.
it was then mentioned that there are easy escapes. Which i disagreed with.
it was suggested the two handed Frankenstein is a stronger technique which i disagreed with.
and that i can be effectively enough eye gouged from that position to release the choke. Which i disagreed with.
otherwise there seemed to be a lot of semantics.

Then I supposed I do not understand what you mean by "c choke". Is it this?

Please keep in mind I selected the first short example of the attack I believe people are discussing. I did not pick what I would have considered the best demonstration of such an attack.

 

[Touch Of Death]

I disagree with your view then. While it is extremely unlikely that most people would need to resort to that level of violence, I see no moral reason preventing this tactic to secure your own safety.



Then I supposed I do not understand what you mean by "c choke". Is it this?

Please keep in mind I selected the first short example of the attack I believe people are discussing. I did not pick what I would have considered the best demonstration of such an attack.

If you practice something you use only one percent of the time, you will be tempted to use it in more cases. There is a moral issue here. You are playing to close to the tree of knowledge, there Eve. LOL

 

[K-man]

Looks like it might even work against a rapist.

Woman gouges eyes of attempted rape suspect to escape Astoria at - KPTV - FOX 12

 

[K-man]

And I'm not the only one who teaches it.
Women learn self-defense techniques in UTPD class The Daily Texan

 

[Steve]

Looks like it might even work against a rapist.

Woman gouges eyes of attempted rape suspect to escape Astoria at - KPTV - FOX 12

I thought an eye gouge resulted in the loss of an eye. Did she gouge his eyes or just poke them.?


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[Buka]

What a great thread!

 

[ballen0351]

If you practice something you use only one percent of the time, you will be tempted to use it in more cases. There is a moral issue here. You are playing to close to the tree of knowledge, there Eve. LOL

Nonsense. I go to the range and shoot all the time. I've never felt the urge to shoot someone.

 

[Touch Of Death]

Nonsense. I go to the range and shoot all the time. I've never felt the urge to shoot someone.

On the contrary, Spokane Police has a real bad reputation for helping people commit suicide. Local Tribal Authorities are helping them to stop that crap; so, you anecdotal experience is just that.

 

[drop bear]

I disagree with your view then. While it is extremely unlikely that most people would need to resort to that level of violence, I see no moral reason preventing this tactic to secure your own safety.



Then I supposed I do not understand what you mean by "c choke". Is it this?

Please keep in mind I selected the first short example of the attack I believe people are discussing. I did not pick what I would have considered the best demonstration of such an attack.

no i would have called that your Frankenstein choke.

c choke is one handed. Anchored on either like a Thai grapple or a wrestling clinch. And in my case i cut in behind the wind pipe so that i have a better handle.

so you grab a bit further back. Slide the fingers forward across the neck. Which gives you some slack in the skin. The shoot your fingers forwards again behind the wind pipe and try to make them touch. (which you can get pretty close)

 

[Buka]

no i would have called that your Frankenstein choke.

c choke is one handed. Anchored on either like a Thai grapple or a wrestling clinch. And in my case i cut in behind the wind pipe so that i have a better handle.

so you grab a bit further back. Slide the fingers forward across the neck. Which gives you some slack in the skin. The shoot your fingers forwards again behind the wind pipe and try to make them touch. (which you can get pretty close)

Might be the easiest countered technique there ever was. For some, anyway.

 

[drop bear]

Might be the easiest countered technique there ever was. For some, anyway.

might be.

 

[RTKDCMB]

Seems eyes aren't best bit to aim for on a shark Poking Sharks Eyes and Noses - HowStuffWorks

If you can turn the shark upside down it will go into some kind of trance and just float there not moving. I saw it demonstrated in a video once.

The Shark Trust - Tonic Immobility

Now I know how to defend against a Tiger shark.