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- Jan 8, 2006
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Did Lee learn Iron Palm from Yang Chen Fu? I do not find anything stating Yang Chen Fu taught Iron Palm.
The video clips say "Lee's modified Tai Chi" can we assume he learned Iron Palm else where and incorporated it into his modified style?
Saying Taiji contains Iron Palm because one guy does it and modified it is like saying Taiji contains Ninjutsu because one guy modified his Taiji to contain it.
But if we ask does Lee Ying Arng Taiji contain Iron Palm then the answer is yes. But if we are going to generalize Taiji then the answer is no.
Iron palm in 100 days was written by Lee Ying Arng who was also Bagua person to I believe and as far as I know Lee Ying Arng was not a senior disciple under Yang Chen Fu. But unless someone can supply me with the Chinese for his name I cannot be 100% sure. A lot and I mean A LOT of people trained with Yang Chengfu and a lot claim to be disciples and they were not or some are just assumed to be because they once trained with Yang Chengfu. Others make the clam and if you have someone who actually knows (The Yang family and actual disciples of Yang Chengfu or disciples of his disciples they can pretty much tell you who is fake and who is not) There was another Taiji sifu, recently mentioned on MT as a master, whose teacher is pretty much a fraud but they likely they are not aware of it or if they are either will not believe it or are equally guilty of fraud. I have come across this in researching Yiquan and in Chen family lineage clams as well. There is a gentleman with the family name of Yang (Yang Fukui) that is a fraud as well that was claiming to be a member of the Yang family and he most certainly is not and the Yang family even made a statement about him.
The fact that someone, even a reputable someone, wrote a book on the topic does not mean it is true. There are things that were written by Sun Lutang, Yang Chengfu, Tung Ying Chieh and Fu Zhongwen that are not historically true and they fully believed they were ad don’t get me started on Cheng Manching. Although I still wold recommend all of thier books, Cheng Manching included.
Also Yang Chengfu did not teach Iron palm as far as I know, and as far as I know, there is no “Internal Iron Palm Training” in any legitimate style of Taijiquan.
In my opinion I pretty much chalk all this type of stuff up to silliness. People are looking for an edge, a secret, a reason to feel superior so they look to things like “Internal Iron Palm Training” “or secret Yang family style” when in fact they do not exist within the confines of Yang style Taijiquan, there are no secrets just training and if your sifu is worth his stuff he will train you what you need to know when you are ready for it and when you are talking Taiji it takes YEARS. And this is cominig form one that use to look for the secrets befire he realized that there were none, just training and trusting the person teaching you :asian: